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Old 12th July 2019, 09:53
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Re: Article using Luftwaffe wartime reconnaisance imagery of battle of Kursk drives media attention

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Any journalistic sensationalism that Kellerhof may have engaged in does not in the least excuse the completely inadmissible behaviour by Sherin.
Inadmissible in what? He didn't say that germans must kill Kellerhof. Only to investigate his appeals to destroying of monument. This is normal reaction for barbariс words. Kellerhof already say that he was misunderstood and didn't wish to destroy smtg in reality.

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The German retreat from Prokhorovka was occasioned by the collapse of the Axis defences in Sicily and by the Soviet offensive on the northern flank of the Orel Bulge held by Heeresgruppe Mitte, not by Soviet actions around Prokhorovka itself. Manstein was even asking Hitler for permission to conduct further offensive action, something which illustrates the magnitude of Soviet problems in this specific geographical area.
And you can proove this with documents, not with Manstein's memoirs?

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Zamulin has indeed followed up Lopukhovsky's pioneering study from 2005,
Reality is vice versa, first Zamulin's work about Prokchorowka dated 2002, and he started to gather archive materials as early as 1997. Also he is professional historian and not amateur as Lopukhovsky


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The problems in the approach taken by many modern Russian historians are on display in the article "An Undoubted victory of the Red Army on the fields at Prokhorovka", written by the popular historian Alexei Isaev
This is article made by anonymous using some Isaev's these. Real article is here - https://warhead.su/2019/07/10/prohor...zabyt-die-welt. It has completely another title

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states that the surprise arrival of fresh Soviet reserves, namely the 5th Guards Tank Army, marked the failure of the offensive by Heeresgruppe Süd, because the German forces were unprepared for this eventuality. This is a nonsensical argument, since the surprise counter-attack on 12 July was defeated with very heavy losses.
Isaev didn't say that surprising arrival of 5 gv.TA was main reason of german defeat in all Zitadelle. He gave german unawareness just like one example how bad was situation on german side. There was 5 tank corps arrived plus one more army. Germans even can't capture huge army stocks near Prokhorowka. Advance was stopped, almost stay still to 16 July. You consider this as German victory?
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