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Old 17th January 2020, 00:36
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Re: Hartmann: claims vs. victories

Hi Folks,
Some info on the dogfights of the very busy day of November 17, 1944 in order to clarify claims and victories. Verified soviet losses in dogfights:

5 VA, 331 IAD, 122 IAP, Yak-9M, S/N: 2715306, white ‘06’. Pilot, Lt. Venyamin Mihailovich Boltishev was KIA. At 8:50 local at 400 m, 6 Yaks, led by Gugnin were returning from a mission when they met 2 ‘Fw 190’s, performing frontal attack. Boltishev pulled up, rolled over and after a few spins crashed into the ground.

5 VA, 331 IAD, 122 IAP, Yak-9M, S/N: 2615394, white ‘94’, lost in the Szolnok area. Pilot, Ml.Lt. Victor Nikolajevich Gaponov was MIA. (See pic.) Between 12:50-14:00 local, 6 Yak-1s and Yak-9s (Yak-1Bs: Drozzhikov ‘22’, Erko ‘8’, Kostenko ‘45’, Pugin ‘5’, Yak-9s: Stadnih ‘90’, Gaponov ‘94’) were escorting 6 IL-2s of the 90 GvShAP to Gyöngyös. On the way home, at 700 m, the 2 Yak-9s stayed with the IL-2s, the 4 Yak-1Bs formed an attack group. Near Szolnok, Gaponov fell behind his formation and went missing. Cause was unknown, visibility was good, 3-5 km. Plane came into the group on August 18, 1944. Recent attempt to find the pilot and his plane at his family’s request was unfortunately unsuccessful.

5 VA, 331 IAD, 179 IAP, Yak-1B, S/N: 02162, lost at Hort. Pilot, Ml.Lt. Sergei Grigorievich Purgin was MIA. At 12:50 local, 8 Yaks, led by Babiy were escorting 8 IL-2 of the 451 ShAP to the Gyöngyös area. At Hatvan-NE, at 800 m, combat with 8 Bf 109. Ragulin downed a Bf 109, which fell at Gyöngyös-SW, 4 km. Purgin was shot down after being chased by Hptm. Helmut Lipfert at Hort as a 'Yak-7'.

5 VA, 13 GvIAD, 149 GvIAP, 2nd Sq., Yak-1B, S/N: 37191, white '<37', lost at 15:00 local at Kóka-E, 3-4 km. Pilot, Ml.Lt. Vladimir Petrovich Isupov (from 19 ZAP) bailed out and returned on the 19th. 8+4 Yaks vs. 4 Fw 190, 2 Bf 109. 1 Bf 109 downed by Stepanov.

5 VA, 13 GvIAD, 151 GvIAP, Yak-1B, S/N: 17193, lost in the Dány-Tura area. Pilot, Gv.Ml.Lt. Alexandr Vasilevich Noskov was MIA. At 9:40-10:50 local, 6 Yaks, led by Hlyustov from Kecskemét airfield were covering ground troops in the Pusztamonostor-Dány-Kóka area at 3500-4000 m. Noskov with a sudden turn left Hlyustov and disappeared. Believed to be shot down by enemy fighters.

During the day several fighter attacks on 4 GvShAD IL-2, and their escorting Yak formations without losses, some of these might be overclaimed:

Mission between 07:50-09:10 local, at 600 m, 8 IL-2s of 5 VA, 4 GvShAD, 90 GvShAP, led by Capt. Nikolaev were attacked by 4 Fw 190s without any losses in the Hort area. Fighter escort was 6 Yaks of the 122 IAP.

Mission between 07:58-09:18 local, 8 IL-2s of 5 VA, 4 GvShAD, 92 GvShAP, led by Gv.Capt. Yakurnov were attacked by 6 Fw 190s without any losses. One Fw 190 was shot down over Hort. Fighter escort was 6 Yaks of the 122 IAP.

Mission between 10:20-11:40 local, at 1200 m in the Csány area, 6 IL-2s of 5 VA, 4 GvShAD, 90 GvShAP, led by Gv.Maj. Kuzin were attacked by 8 Fw 190s. One Fw 190 was shot down over Hort. IL-2 of Kurilov was shot down. Fighter escort was 6 Yaks of the 122 IAP: The 5 VA, 4 GvShAD, 90 GvShAP lost 2 IL-2s this day (S/N: 10392, 1872699) At 11:05 local, IL-2m3 was shot down by fighters at Jászárokszállás-N, 3 km. Pilot, Ivan Prokofevich Kurilov was fatally wounded, died in 2 hrs after landing. Gunner, Ananev returned to his unit on November 20, 1944, plane burned. The other plane, with the wounded Ivlev-Petrunin crew was downed at Jászladány-SW, 2 km at the same time. They also returned to their unit.

At 12:05 local at 1200 m, 6 IL-2s of 5 VA, 4 GvShAD, 90 GvShAP, led by Gv.Capt. Lyadskii were attacked by 2 Fw 190s without any losses. Fighter escort was 5 Yaks of the 122 IAP.

At 14:20-15:30 local, 6 IL-2s of 5 VA, 4 GvShAD, 90 GvShAP, led by Capt. Nikolaev, attacking trucks in the Lőrinci area were attacked by 4 Fw 190s without any losses. Fighter escort was 4 Yaks of the 513 IAP.

Even IL-2m3 of Gv.Capt. Georgii Timofeevich Beregovoy (HSU, later famous soviet cosmonaut, commander of Soyuz-3 in 1968) was damaged, but NOT lost in the Hatvan area.

5 VA, 12 GvShAD, 188 GvShAP, IL-2m3, S/N: 10956, lost at Gyöngyös-W, 8 km. At 13:45 local, 6+5 IL-2s, escorted by 4 La-5s of 192 IAP in the Gyöngyös-NW area were attacked by 2 Bf 109 and 2 Fw 190. Plane shot down at 80 m. Crew of Gv.Ml.Lt. Genadii Semenovich Turikov and Ivan Ivanovich Ostapenko was KIA.

17 VA, 262 NBAD, 97 GvNBAP, Po-2 biplane, S/N: 7352, lost at Felsőszentiván-SE - Tataháza. Pilot, reg.commander Gv.Lt. Col. Anatolii Vasilevich Styazhkov and Gv.Capt. Vladimir Nikiforovich Strik, reg. navigator was unhurt. Plane crashlanded and burned. Downed by Oblt. Walter Pohl (1./SG 10)

Barkhorn's La-5 claim had to be an overclaim, as there was no such loss on soviet side. He might have damaged a La-5 from 5 VA, 279 IAD, which had a terrible mistake that day: in 'friendly fire' they downed several Rumanian Ju 87D Stukas in the Tószeg-Szolnok area, including:

Rumanian AF, 8 Gropul Asalt., 74 Sq., Ju 87D-5, W.Nr.: 141379, lost between Tószeg-Jászkarajenő. Crew of pilot adj. av. Victor Zizda and gunner, Constantin Pietraru was KIA.

(The Boston losses and Hartmann’s Boston overclaim was previously discussed.)

Gabor
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