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Old 18th January 2020, 21:30
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Re: Is there any evidence the 1944 losses were ever captured?

Again, not to waste anyone's time, but a few more things. I have a listing of the various US and British intelligence organizations that scoured, quite literally, all German occupied territories. This includes information about the little known, British T-Force and the American Counter-Intelligence Corps. There is published evidence of a high level of cooperation among the various teams. And there is evidence of files being later dumped in various states of disorder, or unindexed, at various locations in the US, and of duplicate microfilms being made. A substantial portion of T-Force related documents are still classified and there is no detailed history of the CIC in print. According to one source, a 3,000 page history of CIC activity during the war exists but has not been digitized and is only available for viewing in person.

I think an open or closed site that looks into this question further may be in order. This should start with a list that contains the identities of the various intelligence groups that were active during, and after the war in collecting physical documents, and producing microfilms. This should be followed by queries to the more obscure groups or, more likely, their successors, and identifying the lesser known archives and document repositories. Otherwise, this may be a problem addressed by a few as time passes and as finances allow, and with duplication of effort unless a list of leads is first created. And I tip my hat to all who have made the effort. If that is not done, more work by individuals will continue but a final answer will not have anything like a deadline.

- The following is additional material that can be ignored if desired. While reading the book T-Force by Sean Langdon, I came across information regarding the relative freedom of movement, and secrecy, surrounding T-Force operations on the continent. The fine strainer was used to insure that every usable drop of intelligence was extracted. Scientists were put in uniform and even given rank during this time period. Various photo books had been compiled showing target sites and persons of interest. Sometimes, target scientists had been detained by other military units, and were released to T-Force and its American counterpart. The CIC helped as well.

However, there were two incidents that stood out to me. One was where a lorry at an unidentified location had been loaded with documents, also unidentified, and then driven off by men wearing British uniforms but obviously unknown to T-Force. There is no further explanation, and no mention of giving chase. Another incident involves a British factory owner of some reputation showing up at a site secured by T-Force. How he managed to get through is not explained. The officer asked what he wanted and he appeared to know the site housed a machine for the making of garments, and which was something superior to what was available to him. He asked for it to be crated up and sent on to his company. The officer in charge pointed out that this was a military operation and sent him off. Within a day or two of filing a complaint about this man, he received an order to have the machinery crated up and sent to the company as previously requested, care of the Ministry of Supply.

Best,
Ed

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