[Johannes]

Hi Michel

I'll be more specific now.

Kirschner's claims seem in my opinion reasonably until his return to 5./JG3 in September 1942. Then his number one enabler would be Hans Grünberg, and others likely were Horst Brock, and possibly Arnold Bringmann. Then later whilst Kommandeur of IV./JG27 certainly Heinrich Bartels who he borrowed from 11./JG27, don't know how these two would know each were that way inclined......perhaps some sort of secret handshake.....who knows.

Anyway:-

05.07.1943=

Il-2 0340 hrs 700 metres Nr.144
Jak-1 0341 hrs 700 metres A.S.M Nr.145
Il-2 0344 hrs tiefst Nr.146
La-5 0408 hrs 1500 metres Nr.147
Il-2 1806 hrs 150 metres Nr.148
Il-2 1817 hrs 1000 metres Nr.149
Il-2 1824 hrs 1200 metres Nr.150
Il-2 Il-2 1832 hrs 1200 metres A.S.M Nr.151

In each case Grünberg was with him.

I take it 08/03/1943 is 03/08/1943, anyway nothing, Kirschner made no claims in August 1943, his last in Russia was on 12.07.1943 his 164th.

His fiftieth was on 22.02.1943 at 1040 hrs

His seventy-fifth on 16.04.1943 at 1446 hrs

His hundreth was on 28.04.1943 at 1625 hrs.

His hundred twenty-fifth on 14.05.1943 at 1645 hrs.

unconfirmed claims were:-

22.05.1942 at 1607 hrs(between nr.3-4)
15.06.1942 at 1758 hrs(between nr.6-7
22.07.1942 at 1828 hrs(between nr.14-15)
22.07.1942 at 1828 hrs(as above)
20.05.1943 at 1320 hrs(between nr.125-126)

After his transfer to the West, his first four were with 5./JG3:-

24.09.1943 B-17 1718 3000 metres hrs Nr.165
27.09.1943 P-47 1110 hrs 9200 metres Nr.166
03.10.1943 Spitfire 1224 hrs 3000 metres Nr.167
04.10.1943 B-17 1220 hrs 6500 metres Nr.168

With IV./JG27=

23.10.1943 P-38 0905 hrs 30 metres A.S.M Nr.169
23.10.1943 Spitfire 1302 hrs 2500 metres N.O Nr.170
23.10.1943 Spitfire 1304 hrs Nr.171
25.10.1943 P-38 1319 hrs 50 metres N.O Nr.172
01.11.1943 Hurricane 1332 hrs 1200 metres Nr.173
01.11.1943 P-40 1335 hrs 600 metres Nr.174
15.11.1943 B-25 1124 hrs 5500 metres Nr.175
15.11.1943 P-38 1128 hrs 6000 metres Nr.176
15.11.1943 P-38 1132 hrs 4800 metres Nr.177
15.11.1943 P-38 1317 hrs 4000 metres Nr.178
16.11.1943 P-38 1320 hrs 4800 metres Nr.179
18.11.1943 P-38 1248 hrs 4600 metres Nr.180
18.11.1943 P-38 1303 hrs 3900 metres Nr.181

Hope this answers all.

Keep well

Johannes