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Old 6th April 2021, 09:45
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Re: "Normandie" claims over Bf110, 13 july 1943

Me 110 shoot down the 1"th July 1943 By the 1st VA :

1 for the 2nd IAK (Corps of fighters = 2 divisions = 7gv IAD (1st GV IAP : 27 Yak-7b, 89th GV IAP : 30 Yak-7b and 146 IAP : 32 Yak-7b) and 215 IAD (2nd Gv IAP, 263th and 522th IAP) )
1 for 224 ShaD (Sturmoviks division), one damaged for the 233 ShaD perhaps this of the 198 IAP ?????
1 for the 303 IAD (Figthers division = 18 Gv IAP, 20 IAP, 168th IAP and 523th IAP) this below report of the 18 GvIAP.
1 for 309 IAD. : (49th, 162th, 172th and 272th IAP)
3 for the french GC3 "Normandie"

14th soviet aviation regiment with 4 squadrons and two free french squadrons.

Location :

Ulianovo :

One shoot by Major Nikolaî Aleksevitch Biazovin dead 15th July 1943) of the 172 IAP (beetwen 14h49 and 15h57 near Ulianovo.

Архив: ЦАМО, Фонд: 20270, Опись: 1, Дело: 11, Лист начала документа в деле: 96.

Perhaps :

Bf 110 G-2 (6111) 2./Z.G. 1
Enemy fighters. Near Uljanowo 25% F


One other Me-110 claim in the " Raume von Uljanowo"

Repport of the 18th GvIAP for the 13th July 1943 : One shoot near Yagodnaia (Raume von Uljanowo) by the Captain Siberin of the 18 GvIAP (303 IAD) at 11.55 a;m.

ЦАМО, Фонд: 20265, Опись: 1, Дело: 18, Лист начала документа в деле: 137

"At 11.55 7 yak7 under the command of Captain Sibirin accompanied 6 IL-2 to the Yagodnaya district. When the target approached at a height of 300-600 meters, they met 6 Me-110, 4 fw-190, 2 Me-109, which they got out to attack the attack aircraft. Captain Sibirin, at an altitude of 300 meters, attacked from behind from a 1/4 angle from a distance of 70-50 meters, shot down 1 Me-110, which was crashed and burn 3 km south-east Yagodnaya."

3 km south-east of Yagodnaya it's near Gorodok.

Perhaps ;

Bf 110 G-2 (6292) 3./Z.G. 1
Technical failure. Sljanowo-Bolchoff 15% F

or

Bf 110 G-2 (6252) Pz.Jg.St. Z.G. 1
Mihatsch, Ltn. Werner FF
Weiß, Uffz. Harry BF
WIA due to Flak. Bf MIA.
West of Gorodok 100% F

I must have to read the report of the ground unity for DCA activity.

We have no proof of the destruction of an Me-110 by an aircraft of the 198th SHAP

5.30pm report from the 198th Shap. Архив: ЦАМО, Фонд: 22435, Опись: 0017416, Дело: 0001, Лист начала документа в деле: 275

Group of 4 IL-2 planes -
Leader captain MALINKIH - sub-lieutenant gunner Smirnov,
Deputy: Lieutenant EFIROV - machine gunner Dobrov,
Winger Sub-Lieutenant ZINOVSKII, machine gunner Redovubov,
Sub-Lieutenant HEMILYA - machine gunner Ivanov
at 3.20 p.m. from a height of 600 meters on a low-level flight approach attacked artillery positions on the southern outskirts of the village. Sorokino.
Leaving the attack, Captain Malinkin - machine gunner Smirnov in plane No. 77353,
Sub-Lieutenant Zinovskii, Redovubov machine gunner, in plane n ° 5667,
Second Lieutenant Nemilya - air. Ivanovna gunners plane number 1295
did not return from the combat mission.
The position and condition of the crews are unknown.
According to the group's deputy, Lieutenant EFIMOV -
Captain MALIKIN and ZINOVSKY were shot dead in the area of ​​Smetskie Vysilki - Nov ogryn. Ml. Lieutenant NEMILYA left the Sorokino area with a heading of 80 °.

It is only in the following report that we have some explanation. This shows that the pilots only have a partial view of the events.


Sorokino = 35 Ost 54421

Most likely because the pilots of 172 IAP give the region of Ylianovo as the sector of the attack.

13.07.43 Ofw. Rudolf Rademacher 1./JG 54 Il-2 £ 54,443: at 200 m. 14.14 Film C. 2032 / II Anerk: Nr. 617

07.13.43 Ltn. Günther Scheel 2./JG 54 Il-2 £ 54,442: at 600 m. 14.12 Film C. 2032 / II Anerk: Nr. 615

13.07.43 Ofw. Rudolf Rademacher 1./JG 54 Il-2 £ 54,442: at 200 m. 14.09 Film C. 2032 / II Anerk: Nr. 616

I continue, look for them in the archives

PS : Ktyn is a bridge on the Recceta river not on the Bytebet the flowing river of the "Raume von Ulianovo".

Last edited by Courtois Laurent; 6th April 2021 at 16:20.
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