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Re: B-17 Fortress losses 17 August 1943 in Rosenheim-Wörgl-Brixen area

probably no B-17 crash in mentioned area ?



B-17 losses in Germany (minus those obviously not in that mentioned region)

275 430817 B-17 41-24453 LG-O Mizpah - The Bearded Lady / The Bearded Beauty 91 322 Kenner, Everett KIA 5, POW 5 Schweinfurt Vlatten ?56727 Mayen near CoblenzMayen
274 430817 B-17 41-24527 Sky Wolf 91 324 Schweinfurt Waldaschaff D
276 430817 B-17 42-5139 Chief Sly II 91 322 Schweinfurt ?Kembach ?Geisenheim D
282 430817 B-17 42-5437 Frank's Nightmare 91 401 Schweinfurt Mayen ? Hergarten
281 430817 B-17 42-5069 Our Gang 91 324 Schweinfurt ? Geisenheim oder St. Goar D
278 430817 B-17 42-29559 OR-Q STUP'N'TAKE-IT 91 323 Schweinfurt 3201 Langdorp ?BE ?D
279 430817 B-17 41-24524 Eagles Wreath 91 323 ArcGaro, Anthony KIA 3, POW 5 Schweinfurt 55296 Harxheim D
653 430817 B-17 42-29853 92 327 Euskirchen D
403 430817 B-17 42-30283 Mason's Morons 95 336 Mason Darmstadt D
679 430817 B-17 42-30070 LN S Tweedle-O-Twill 100 350 LT RONALD W BRALEY Regensburg - AC FACTORY Pulferingen
675 430817 B-17 42-5860 LD P Escape Kit Poontang 100 418 LT CURTIS R BIDDICK Regensburg - AC FACTORY Schweinsberg D
680 430817 B-17 42-30002 XR-F The WAAC Hunter / Damifino 100 349 Shotland, Henry P KIA 1, POW 9 Schweinfurt 68642 Bürstadt (Boxheimerhof) D
681 430817 B-17 42-30311 LN T unnamed 100 350 Hummel, Thomas D Regensburg - AC FACTORY Schornsheim D
303 430817 B-17 42-29839 351 510 Hansen, Helmuth F Schweinfurt Reifferscheid-Schleiden D
302 430817 B-17 42-5812 Cannon Ball 351 511 Pinkerton, M A Schweinfurt Bad Godesberg D
1350 430817 B-17 42-29830 WA-T Peter Wabbit 379 525 Wagner, Erwalt Douglas KIA 10 Schweinfurt 55442 Stromberg (2.5 km N) D
1763 430817 B-17 42-30309 FR-P Raging Red 379 525 Sexton, Jim KIA 1, POW 9 Schweinfurt 35641 Schöffengrund-Niederwetz D
1764 430817 B-17 42-30158 Mary Jane ll 379 525 Koeppen, H 2KIA, 8POW Schweinfurt ?Diets-Heur ?Abenheim ?BE ?D
1765 430817 B-17 42-30191 The Bolevich 379 525 Merchant, Donald W Schweinfurt Elfershausen 10km SW Bad Kissingen D
398 430817 B-17 42-29983 381 533 Schweinfurt Kesseling D
384 430817 B-17 42-3220 Damfino 381 535 Schweinfurt Marksteinach D
379 430817 B-17 42-30140 King Malfunction II 381 532 Painter Jack B KIA 1, POW 8, EVD 2 Schweinfurt 53902 Bad Münstereifel-Esch D
399 430817 B-17 42-3092 VP-T Strato Sam (Toughest Crew That Ever Flew) 381 533 Hudson James C KIA 1, POW 9 Schweinfurt 53947 Nettersheim Pesch D
380 430817 B-17 42-30028 Sweet-LeLani 381 534 Wright, Neil H Schweinfurt ?Düren ?Simmern, SW of Rheinbollen D
663 430817 B-17 42-29731 Moore - Fidite, Ol' Swayback 381 532 Jarvis, Leo P Schweinfurt Ebrach D
296 430817 B-17 42-29956 SU-B Vertical Shaft 384 544 Hausenfluck, Jesse D KIA 2, POW 8 Schweinfurt 56346 Sankt Goarshausen D
294 430817 B-17 42-30139 JD-O Snuffy 384 545 Sweningsen, Oliver Schweinfurt Stangenroth 10km NW Bad Kissingen D
292 430817 B-17 42-3222 JD-P Dueces wild 384 545 Mattes, Frank G Schweinfurt ?Reichenbach ?Sickerhausen D
293 430817 B-17 42-3230 JD-U Yankee Powerhouse II 384 545 Wofford, Drewry Fry POW 10 Schweinfurt Weiler D
387 430817 B-17 42-5914 Sack Time (Roger Wilco) 385 549 Reichardt Schweinfurt Hessloch Worms D
388 430817 B-17 42-30017 All Shot to Hell 390 568 Regensburg ?Bingen oder Wernberg (near to) D
390 430817 B-17 42-30316 Madie 390 568 Regensburg Bellheim D


B-17 losses Italy


400 430817 B-17 42-3194 Little Hell 95 334 Santa Margherita IT
676 430817 B-17 42-3232 LN V Flak Happy 100 350 Hollenbeck, Ronald W Regensburg - AC FACTORY Ghedi IT
682 430817 B-17 42-30042 XR L Oh Nausea! Shack Rabbits 100 349 LT GLEN S VAN NOY Regensburg - AC FACTORY Sicily (60 miles off) IT


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possibly more up-to-date combat MACR list for that date (all a/c types, all countries):


possibly this one from list below ?
430817 682 B-17F 42-30042 _ 349BS 100BG 8 Van Noy, Glen S POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Brenner Pass-nr _
but: https://b17flyingfortress.de/en/b17/...usea/42-30042/

Crash Date MACR# Aircraft Type Aircraft S/N Aircraft Nickname Squadron Group AF Pilot Pilot Country MACR Location KU Location

430817 263 P-47C-5 41-6398 _ 62FS 56FG 8 Stultz, Robert M KIAKilled In Action HOLHolland Masstricht (HOL)-Hasselt (BEL) area Freeren/ 3km S of Tongern (Vreren [BAHA])
430817 264 P-47D-1 42-7891 _ 62FS 56FG 8 Day, Voorhis H KIAKilled In Action BELBelgium Maastricht area/Hassolt (BEL) Warsage nr Church/ 22km NE Luettich
430817 265 P-47C-5 41-6372 _ 63FS 56FG 8 Sugas, Arthur E KIAKilled In Action BELBelgium Ans Wolder (bij Maastricht) [NIMH](Rullen-Voeren [BAHA
430817 273 F-5A-10 42-12977 _ 17PRS 4PRG 13 Peterson, Roy L FODFinding Of Death SOLSolomon Islands Henderson Fld- at TO _
430817 274 B-17F 41-24527 _ 324BS 91BG 8 Munger, William S POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Aschaffenburg _
430817 275 B-17F 41-24453 _ 322BS 91BG 8 Kenner, Everett L KIAKilled In Action GERGermany {49.55N-09.00E} _
430817 276 B-17F 42-5139 _ 322BS 91BG 8 Gatewood, Joel W POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Aachen-10mi S _
430817 277 B-17F 42-2990 _ 322BS 91BG 8 Hargis, Jack A POWKTBD - definition pending GERGermany {49.38N-08.12E} _
430817 278 B-17F 42-29559 _ 323BS 91BG 8 Bennett, Charles A EVD Escaped from (evaded) the enemy GERGermany _ Langdorp-nr/Diest-13km W
430817 279 B-17F 41-24524 _ 323BS 91BG 8 Arcaro, Anthony G EVDPTBD - definition pending GERGermany _ Kessling/Rodder-nr
430817 280 B-17F 42-5225 _ 323BS 91BG 8 Von Der Heyde, Don S KIAKilled In Action BELBelgium _ Baelen-nr/ 3km SE of Moll
430817 281 B-17F 42-5069 _ 324BS 91BG 8 Wheeler, William H POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Eupen _
430817 282 B-17F 42-5437 _ 401BS 91BG 8 Weieneth, Arlynn E MIAMissing In Action GERGermany {50.14N-07.11E} Hergarten-2km W
430817 283 B-17F 42-5712 _ 322BS 91BG 8 Judy, James D POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Frankfurt-20mi SE _
430817 291 B-17F 42-30147 _ 544BS 384BG 8 Wilson, Clayton R POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Schweinfurt area _
430817 292 B-17F 42-3222 _ 544BS 384BG 8 Mattes, Frank G KIAKilled In Action GERGermany Schweinfurt area _
430817 293 B-17F 42-3230 _ 544BS 384BG 8 Wofford, Drewry F Jr POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany _ _
430817 294 B-17F 42-30139 _ 545BS 384BG 8 Sweningson, Oliver (NMI) Jr POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Schweinfurt _
430817 296 B-17F 42-29956 _ 544BS 384BG 8 Hausenfluck, Jesse D KIAKilled In Action GERGermany _ _
430817 300 B-17F 41-24564 _ 365BS 305BG 8 Mutschler, Douglas L KIAKilled In Action GERGermany {50.42N-05.42E} Averbode-nr/Diest-8km NW
430817 301 B-17F 42-30159 _ 366BS 305BG 8 McKeagan, Rothery (NMI) POWPrisoner Of War BELBelgium Louvain-5mi N Oostwalle-nr/Wegnes/Verviers-5km SE
430817 302 B-17F 42-5812 _ 511BS 351BG 8 Pinkerton, Max (NMI) POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Ruhr-S _
430817 303 B-17F 42-29839 _ 510BS 351BG 8 Hansen, Helmuth F POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Ruhr District-S _
430817 323 B-17F 42-30389 _ 331BS 94BG 8 Nayovitz, Bernard W KIAKilled In Action BELBelgium Liege Lummen/ 10km E of Diest
430817 365 F-5A-10 42-12977 _ 17PRS 4PRG 13 Peterson, Roy L FODFinding Of Death SOLSolomon Islands Henderson Fld at TO _
430817 378 B-17F 42-3225 _ 535BS 381BG 8 Disbrow, Lorin C POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Bonn-Aachen/between _
430817 379 B-17F 42-30140 _ 532BS 381BG 8 Painter, Jack B KIAKilled In Action GERGermany {49.50N-08.50E} Esch-nr/Muenstereifel-8km SE
430817 380 B-17F 42-30028 _ 534BS 381BG 8 Wright, Neil H POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Vegeland-nr _
430817 381 B-17F 42-30245 _ 534BS 381BG 8 Simpson, Welden L KIAKilled In Action GERGermany {49.50N-08.10E} _
430817 382 B-17F 42-29978 _ 534BS 381BG 8 King, Reinhardt M POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany {49.50N-08.10E} _
430817 384 B-17F 42-3220 _ 535BS 381BG 8 Smith, Harry M A POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany {50.30N-09.20E} _
430817 00387A B-17F 42-5886 _ 548BS 385BG 8 Sommers, Paul A POWPrisoner Of War BELBelgium {50.00N-07.35E} Woensdrecht-2km SW
430817 00387B B-17F 42-5914 _ 549BS 385BG 8 Reichardt, Leslie L POWPrisoner Of War BELBelgium {49.45N-08.20E}* _
430817 388 B-17F 42-30017 _ 568BS 390BG 8 Tyson, Ashbrooke W POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Wornburg-15mi NW _
430817 389 B-17F 42-3333 _ 569BS 390BG 8 Becker, Raymond A FODFinding Of Death MEDMediterranean Sea (all losses over the water where no coast locater is Given) Bone-50mi N _
430817 390 B-17F 42-30316 _ 568BS 390BG 8 Regan, James R POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Heidelburg-10mi S Bellheim
430817 391 B-17F 42-30315 _ 569BS 390BG 8 Rapport, Stephen P Jr INTINTerned in neutral country SWISwitzerland _ _
430817 392 B-17F 42-3305 _ 568BS 390BG 8 Shaver, Dale A POWPrisoner Of War SPASpain {43.30N-09.00E} _
430817 396 B-17F 42-3310 _ 568BS 390BG 8 Sneed, Wade H KIAKilled In Action MEDMediterranean Sea (all losses over the water where no coast locater is Given) Bone-25mi N _
430817 398 B-17F 42-29983 _ 533BS 381BG 8 Atkinson, Challen P KIAKilled In Action GERGermany {49.58N-07.42E} Kesseling-rn/Rodder
430817 399 B-17F 42-3092 _ 533BS 381BG 8 Hudson, James C POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany {50.45N-05.55E} Posch/Muenstereifel-6km SW
430817 400 B-17F 42-3194 _ 334BS 95BG 8 Hayden, Robert W POWPrisoner Of War ITAItaly {44.40N-09.55E} _
430817 401 B-17F 42-30176 _ 335BS 95BG 8 Sundberg, John L POWPrisoner Of War BELBelgium Belgium-10min inside Oostmalle-1km N
430817 402 B-17F 42-30274 _ 336BS 95BG 8 Baker, Walter A POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Eupen-S _
430817 403 B-17F 42-30283 _ 336BS 95BG 8 Mason, Robert C POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Regensburg _
430817 406 B-17F 42-30388 _ 429BS 2BG 12 Fisher, Carroll L Jr POWPrisoner Of War FRAFrance Istres-Le Tube A/D _
430817 407 B-17F 42-30314 _ 353BS 301BG 8 Cunningham, William J Jr KIAKilled In Action FRAFrance Marsielles _
430817 410 P-38G 42-13413 _ 48BS 14FG 12 Tompkins, Robert C KIAKilled In Action ITAItaly Cape Sparti Vento-8mi N _
430817 412 P-38G 42-13430 _ 48FS 14FG 12 Tarr, Jack L KIAKilled In Action MEDMediterranean Sea (all losses over the water where no coast locater is Given) Cape Sparti Vento-1mi off _
430817 413 P-38G 42-13146 _ 48FS 14FG 12 Texter, Harold I KIAKilled In Action MEDMediterranean Sea (all losses over the water where no coast locater is Given) Cape Sparti Vento-1mi off _
430817 653 B-17F 42-29853 _ 327BS 92BG 8 Stewart, J D POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany {50.40N-06.10E} _
430817 654 B-17F 42-3435 _ 327BS 92BG 8 Sargent, Roland L POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany {50.00N-06.00E} _
430817 661 B-17F 42-3227 _ 534BS 381BG 8 Forkner, Hamden L EVD Escaped from (evaded) the enemy GERGermany {51.10N-05.00E} _
430817 663 B-17F 42-29731 _ 532BS 381BG 8 Jarvis, Leo (NMI) POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Schweinfurt _
430817 675 B-17F 42-5860 _ 418BS 100BG 8 Biddick, Curtis R KIAKilled In Action GERGermany Frankfurt-nr Epplingen-nr
430817 676 B-17F 42-3232 _ 350BS 100BG 8 Hollenbeck, Ronald W POWPrisoner Of War ITAItaly Verona _
430817 677 B-17F 42-30063 _ 418BS 100BG 8 Knox, Robert M KIAKilled In Action GERGermany Frankfurt-nr Herbsthal-Lontzen/ 500m W of Schmalgraf
430817 678 B-17F 42-5867 _ 350BS 100BG 8 Claytor, Roy F EVD Escaped from (evaded) the enemy GERGermany Regensburg-10min from Oostwalle-nr/Wegnes/Vierviers-5km SE
430817 679 B-17F 42-30070 _ 350BS 100BG 8 Braley, Ronald W POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Nuremburg-Alps area Wakakov-10km SE (Laaland)/Ryde-nr
430817 680 B-17F 42-30002 _ 349BS 100BG 8 Shotland, Henry P POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Nuremburg-nr _
430817 681 B-17F 42-30311 _ 350BS 100BG 8 Hummel, Thomas D POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Bad Mergerheim-nr _
430817 682 B-17F 42-30042 _ 349BS 100BG 8 Van Noy, Glen S POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Brenner Pass-nr _
430817 683 B-17F 42-30080 _ 351BS 100BG 8 Oakes, Donald K INTINTerned in neutral country GERGermany before reaching target _
430817 1350 B-17F 42-29830 _ 525BS 379BG 8 Wagner, Erwalt D KIAKilled In Action GERGermany Schweinfurt Landmark Doerrebach/Stromberg-2.5km NW
430817 1763 B-17F 42-30309 _ 525BS 379BG 8 Sexton, James N POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany None listed _
430817 1764 B-17F 42-30158 _ 525BS 379BG 8 Koeppen, Howard O KIAKilled In Action GERGermany Schweinfurt _
430817 1765 B-17F 42-30191 _ 525BS 379BG 8 Merchant, Donald W POWPrisoner Of War GERGermany Schweinfurt Bad Kissingen-nr
430817 6604 B-24D 42-40348 _ 400BS 90BG 5 Freas, Charles R FODFinding Of Death NGUNew Guinea Wewak-nr _
430817 16186 B-24* _ _ 64BS 43BG 5 Morris, Robert (NMI) KIAKilled In Action NGUNew Guinea New guinea-off southern coast _

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