hi.thanks everybody, i forgot to mention the northern, uk too,.as my dad saw one in nov 44,??.he lived in mids,,he never forgot what he saw,,low 1000 ft, it was no plane,,,small. making a sound, like a moped, bike would make,,,he asked me to find , if it crashed near by, but as a novice aviation,.nut,.ill try i said,,keep hoping,,i think it crashed in shropshire,.as theres a crater on a5 at weston,park,,it was belived to be a buzz bomb doodlebug,thanks every one,,gary..