I perfectly agree with you Larry, here is what i have said on jg52 board with Mr Bernd Barbas replie:
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Olivier Menu
my personal feelling
Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:50
83.112.103.241
After extensive research it seems that Karl Ries wrongly identified "Rabbatz" badge as 2./JG52 in 1963.
Then many publications speaking from Schumman's red1, Bielmeier's red8, Griener's red13 or Zaunbrecher's red 14 (not 4) missidentified them as 2./JG52 instead of 5./JG52.
My main problem is that E.Mombeeck still do this error in his recent "Jagdwaffe" books speaking of BoF and BoB when we have photo proof that 2./JG52 already used early Bf 109E with black or more probably red digit and "running boar" badge on their noses before BoB and probably also before BoF.
So it seems more and more probable for me that "Rabbatz" badge had never been 2./JG52 but 5./JG52 only !"
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Bernd Barbas
Devil emblem
Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:40
194.45.48.52
Hello Oliver ,
actually I did not do too much research about the history of the individual Staffel markings .
I know the Ries books and I have the Ries books and I knew Mr Ries personally as a pioneer in this area , but I assume , that he simply mixed up 2. and 5. Staffel due to that reason , that II Gruppe often used no II Gruppe bar .
Unfortunately , I never discussed this with him .
2. Staffel had early the "wild boar " emblem and 1944 R.Trenkel used the " Sarotti " emblem . There is also a photo existing with a Sarotti shield , but I only saw this Sarotti sign at Trenkels ac . Actually this came from Dähne , he had eaten a lot of chocolate and a very dark skin tan from the russian sun .
For the cover of my I / JG 52 book I am looking for the 1. Staffel emblem .
I dont want to use the early " flying soldier " emblem
( Galland ) , I want to use either " ALADIN " or " TORERO "
( Wolfrum or Eberwein ) From Torero I got only a draft , no Info about Aladin .
All the best , Bernd Barbas
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Cheers, Olivier