[mayfair35]

Again to all you kind gentlemen, thank you for your information. When I first posted I had no idea I would receive so much interesting information that also corrected some of the details in my stories.

TO LAURENT: I hope you can understand that I want to contact Mr. Horta to ensure he wants details of encounters on this site. In addition, you know there are many Luftwaffe members who have much more interesting stories than my few. I do not want to insult them.

TO CARLOS: If you live in or near Santa Maria, we are fairly close. I live in Oxnard Shores. Were you at the 50th anniversary of the P-51 in Santa Maria? I was there with 2 other 325th pilots: Bob Barkey 6 victories, Bill Margetts who lost his engine over Czechoslovakia on 28 Dec 1944. He was badly injured during the crash landing (canopy knocked him out as he was preparing to bail out!). They made a video of several of us but nothing great. Carlos we have the annual Camarillo Air Show on the 18th and 19th of August this year. I usually manage to get about 20 pilots, aces, and crew members to sit in our booth. If you think you might be interested in attending, I will send you details as soon as they are finalized.

TO NICKM: I reread the article about Bob Goebel's victory over Ploesti on July 3, 1944 and compared it with his book. They track quite closely. FYI, Bob was credited with Me-109s on May 29, June 23, and a probable on July 2 in 1944. On May 27 he was credited with a Me-110.
July 3rd was his 42nd mission. Approaching Ploesti he spotted a gaggle of 15 Me-109s @ an estimated 26,000 feet. He states that two of them were close at his 1:00 o'clock. He attacked and tacked on the tail of a Me-109 that went vertical into what he terms a "kind of Cuban 8" and Bob followed him. He believes the Me-109 was using negative G evasive maneuvers. Bob finally got in a good burst on the fuselage and right wing following which the Me pilot bailed out. Bob then switched off his guns and using the camera, took a picture of the Me pilot in his parachute.
Hartmann tells the story in much the same way, although he states he had the low fuel light come on when he bailed out. He did not think much of Bob's shooting! Bob's film showed the hits and the pilot in his chute. As Bob flew by him, he raised his hand in a type of salute and took off. Hartmann tells of the pilot raising his hand but then says, "He registered an ugly face and then the American was gone." I wonder what "face" he could see with Bob's oxygen mask in place as we did not take our masks off from the beginning of the flight until home - our microphone was in the mask. The article states that Hartmann was shot down at least 14 times and although he claimed several P-51s, he is credited with 2 P-51 victories. I have read that he overclaimed, but it distresses me to see people questioning some victories after the pilot is dead. That is what happened with the Yamamoto shoot down also.
I believe Hartmann shot down a 325th P-51 as I recall reading a story about him in which he describes a P-51 blowing up and seeing yellow and black checkertail pieces all over the sky. Over Budapest, I was leading an element when the flight leader's wingman accidentally chopped off his tail. I could not believe how much of the sky was covered by the black and yellow checkertails so I believe the victory claimed by Hartmann was undoubtedly correct. If I had the date of this victory, I could check the name of our pilot.

Cordially, Art Fiedler