[peter monasso]

Hello Forum (John, Karl, Andreas and others)
First of all, sorry, sorry,sorry for the confusion I’ve caused with my question and statements ! You were right! There were two crashes at the same address which I had forgotten indeed because my research there was already in 1975 but I found back a second report of a crash at the same farmer! How could I have forgotten this ? Well the reason is as follows: first what I said, it was quite a long time ago since I interviewed the farmers over there and second: the 2nd crash didn’t make much impression because however the a/c did crash there the a/c parts didn’t penetrate into the earth but stayed above surface, so there was no reason for us to start digging at the time. The only thing that made some impression was that the farmer Klein Gunnewiek told us that one of the planes’ wheels went right through the frontdoor of the farm and came inside the house. The farmer knew it was a German fighter plane. What we know of the LB report is that this plane came down on May 8th 1944 at about 12.45 hrs. I think the LB-report Karl has is the same one I have telling that the pilot did land at Beltrum and was wounded and taken to the Hospital at Lichtenvoorde by the mayor/head of the LB of Lichtenvoorde. So the a/c came down near farm ‘Meekes’ name farmer J.B. Klein Gunnewiek, address B 126, nowadays Poelhutterslatsdijk 2, Lievelde and the LB-report says that the a/c was totally destroyed. In my files I found that according to whitness this a/c had more or less engine trouble and did crash in front of the farm ‘Meekes’. The a/c was dismantled and taken away. There were no parts left at the farms’ place that’s why we found nothing and kept this crash not very clear in our memory! Maybe we find out which a/c this was and important to realize is that this one could even be a Bf-109 as well as a Fw 190. There is no evidence for the type at this moment only the date. The second crashed a/c came also near the same farm at a dinstance not more than 150 meters away from the first and that one has WN 682655 and was Fw 190A-8/R2 or R8 the one we dug up on June, 21st, 1975 and of which we found the WN. 682655 plate and of which you all said that this only could have been an a/c later than Nov. 1944 after leaving the production line and of course you were right! Sorry but I did mix up both of these two crashes which in fact did occur very close tho each other. One left of the farm and the other one to the right of the farm. I do agree with you that this doesn’t mean that 682566 did came down on 14-1-1945 but it is most likely, however also 1-1-1945 “Bodenplatte” could be but I don’t think so because that date would have been more in clear memory to the farmer which wasn’t told me like that. So I think it could have been 14-1-1945. Indeed quite a few farmers we spoke told that at least 7 German fighter planes came down on one and the same afternoon. This could have been Sunday 14-1-1945 very well as we all know. I’ll give next all the info we have about most of the Fws’ 190 we found and I’ll follow the numbering of the Dutch Loss List (Verlieslijst) this because Karl asked me what we have about all the other FW’s of 14-1-1945. (however I think there are some faults in the Dutch Loss List) The sequence is: Number Dutch Loss List, Date, time, exact location (name farmer/farmhouse, address), a/c type, Werk Nummer, name Pilot, Unit and circumstances of the crash according to whitness.
1. T5111: 14-1-45 Hulshof, Hulshofweg, Harreveld, Fw 190A-9 WN 205241, Bodo Siegfried, Stab/JG3. 2. T5112, 14-1-1945. Dwarsdijk, Vragender, FW 190A-9 WN 205266, Karl W. Kleinemeier 13/JG3 used his parachute, wounded, broken his left underleg. We found parts of the WN resulting in the fact that the number could only be 205266. 3. T5113 14-1-1945 Ter Bogt, Horsterweg, Avest/Beltrum, Fw 190A-8/R2, WN 682218, Otto Ehrhardt …, 13/JG3. Pilot laid mutilated under the wreckage, a/c exploded in fire, shot down by 2 allied a/c. Whitness say this was an Austrian Pilot: who knows if Ehrhardt was from Austria ? 4. T5114. 14-1-1945 Doornenbrink, Batsdijk, Ruurlo, Fw 190A-8/R2, WN 682820, Heinz Bake, 14J/G3, tail of a/c was shot away by allied a/c. Pilot was hurt but did land with parachute. 5. T5115. 14-1-1945 14.30 hrs. H.F.te Molder, Vremanstraat 3, Mariënvelde/Halle, Fw 190A-8/R2, WN 682810, Wilhelm Scheschonka …, 15/JG3, Pilot was found dead near a haystack very close to the crash site. Note: German Loss List JG3 say ‘Air battle near Deelen’. In fact crash site is about 40 Km east from Deelen. 6. T5116. 14-1-1945. ± 3 hrs. PM, Doppen, Kevelderstraat, Zieuwent. Fw 190A-8/R2, WN 739412, Harry Götz, 15/JG3, attacked in the afternoon by two allied fighter a/c. Pilot used his parachute, was not seriously wounded and picked up by a German motor-cycle combination and taken to the temporary hospital at Harreveld. 7. T5116A. 14-1-1945.(?) Farmer J.B. Klein Gunnewiek, address B 126, nowadays Poelhutterslatsdijk 2 Lievelde, name farm ‘Meekes’. Fw 190A-8/R2 or R8. WN 682655. Pilot came down with parachute a few Km’s east of his a/c near Zieuwent. He was also wounded and brought to the temporary hospital at Harreveld. Remember: this also could have been happened on 1-1-1945 ‘Bodenplatte’. About the numbers 2,3,5 and 7 I’m quite sure because we found evidence with WN-plates. About the other nrs. 1,4 and 6 I’m not 100% sure. Next I have a number of other German fighter a/c of which much is unknown and of which possibly one or more could be counted to 14-1-1945 but not all I think!
8. unknown date: J.B. te Poele, Boschlaan 31, Lievelde, Fw 190 or Bf 109. emergency landing/engine failure. 9. unknown date, on a Sunday. Lensink, Vosdijk 11 / Heringsaweg, Vragender. Fw 190. Pilot broke his leg and was taken to the temporary hospital at Harreveld. (Could be T5116B) 10. unknown date. Fw 190 or Bf 109. Vragender Esch, Winterswijkseweg, Vragender close to the Gunnewick mill. Pilot tried to land in an oats field but came upside down in this field behind the mill. Workers from the mill went to the plane and lifted one of its’ wings which enabled the pilot to climb out, but before doing so they were welcomed by a small dog that had left the cockpit. Maybe there were not too much German pilots who got used to it to take their little dog with them during ‘real dog fights’ ? Anyhow the pilot came out as 2nd passenger and walked to the mill to make a phonecall to say he was OK in a time there were no handy’s and was picked up later. Any idea who this could have been? 11. Fw 190 or Bf 109 probably 23-9-1944. 2 hrs. PM Gierkink, Vragenderweg near the local swimmingpool, Vragender. Pilot made an emergency landing and thought he was in the Market-Garden area which he asked a local farmer. Pilot came out safe. When he saw a farmer entering his place he ran back to his a/c and got his pistol out of the cockpit and engaged this farmer. (mr. Overkamp) Parts of fabric of this a/c tail end got stricked in a nearby tree. Maybe Nr. T4330 ? Big puzzle isn’t it?
Regards,
Peter
PS By the way I have some more WN’s of dug up a/c of other dates of which I’m not sure and I intend to bring these in this forum later. First I’ve to manage a paper version of the Dutch Loss List because searching only on the screen is not always easy.