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Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken
What I want to see more of in the discussion, is that people that make claims like you do:
25.10.42 in Armawir - 20 aircraft damaged. Here, firstly, the 20 aircraft are all aircraft lost to enemy action during the entire reporting month of October 1942. I can find 8 in the loss records, thus 12 are seemingly missing. I do not know this incident, but I guess that we are talking about twin-engined bombers - and we must keep in mind that the reporting to the GenQu only was done for aircraft being damaged MORE than 10% as estimated by the engineer examining the damage.
It might be possible that some of these aircraft that were damaged, and thus was transferred to a repair facility with regards to HALTER or holding unit , but were NOT reported to the Generalquartiermeister. But again, just a possibility, it could be that these aircraft were really destroyed or damaged to a high degree and that the report is missing.
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Andreas, I don't know exactly how LW organize their replacement, but this sample show you, that it was not based on GQM returns. In october 42 the unit became 15 new planes and one from reparatur. GQM is for me only statistical system, that was used for reporting and not operational. Based on these returns, the GQM can provide some information like "... the average lifespan of Bf109 in 1942 decreased from 12 month to 6...". And this information could be used as one of parameters for the future production plans.
Another point, that you reffer here, is how we understand term "loss"? You say, under 10% was not reported to GQM. Officially such damages could be easy repaired by unit and FBK staff. Neverthenless they leave the unit.
Furthemore I make some comparison between loss list from some units book as JFV and Bestand and Bewegungsmeldungen and it show clear, that quite all planes with damage 10% and more leave their the units and need replacement, most with new production planes.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken
And you seem to state that there was a general underreporting of losses in the Luftwaffe based on a court martial against Helbig? What was the outcome of this court martial? If this is the case, can you statistically or otherwise show it?
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They found him not guility... But put yourself on the place of LW units commander and think, how oft you want to participate on such probes. And Helbig was one of the most decorated and popular LW man.
It is only sample, that the LW units commander have sometimes their reasons, why they send not fully correct updates to RLM
Regards