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Old 5th July 2005, 15:16
Franek Grabowski Franek Grabowski is offline
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Re: streuth!!!!

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Ezer Weizman ;-)
Oh, I thought it was too obvious. Certainly all the airmen of the early IDF had some WWII experience but how many of them were pure mercenaries like Beurling? Klibanski (sp.?) is another, ex-112, later known as Alon. Who else?

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Nor should it be weird to expect Jews in the RAF, USAAF or Armee de l'Air.
Considering quantity of diasporrah, they should be expected. So, what is the problem with the names?

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I've heard he was an ex San Francisco taxi-driver in the US who flew a Zero
Nope, IIRC he was of mixed parentage and was killed in combat with B-29s in the 1945. Flew Tonys or something like that.

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In the context of WW2 the Jews as a general grouping (religious) were subject to intended genocide by Nazi Germany. Being a Jew does not make one good or evil, but being a Christian in WW2 is hardly much better. The Germans and Soviets were (as national entities) mass murderers. The 'Jews' were not - though Jews may have been involved in such slaughter not just as victims. Emphasizing such 'Jews' whilst ignoring Lutheran or Catholic Nazis - or Orthodox Soviets is 'weighted'.
In the Eastern Europe Jews were considered synonymous to communists. Perhaps not fair but not without reason. Their part as a nation was significant and the fact it is neither politically correct nor mentioned in Western history books cannot change the facts. Sorry!

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prime = main not just first, but the Germans found enough support among i.e. Latvians or Lithuanians, as well as bureaucratic acceptance of the holocaust from occupied France right through to Hungary. And not too many American or British authorities cared to be moved to sooner action by what was being reported from Europe 1943-44
I am afraid your views could be quite harmful, especially as Hungary was quite a safe place for Jews as long as Hungarians could manage the subject. Also behaviour in Baltic states or Ukraine must be viewed by the perspective of Soviet occupation. I find no excuse for France, Great Britain or USA though.

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No. You take the King's shilling and the natives of this world take pot-shots at you, 'twas ever so. Afghans, Dervishes, Boars, Zionists, IRA etc.... Black, white or yellow - don't trust the b*stards!
At the time the army is fighting those b*stards killing your nation? Nay, I do not buy it. Post-war - OK. Oh, BTW, how do you feel with the fact, the zionist movement in Palestine was supported by Germany and Poland?

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The Red Army was awful - excellent front-line troops, and a raping horde as follow-up units. Without them Hitler could not have been beaten.
I assume you have never seen Soviet front-line troops. And without them, Hitler would never start the war.

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Poland was betrayed - of that there can be no dispute.
And some other countries and people.

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A 'Jewish question'? Were there no Catholic communists?
Polish - yes, catholic - no. The problem here is to determine if Jewishnes is a nation or religion. However much more significant is the fact no Jew - communistic criminal - was ever officially condemned by any Jewish authority. Various excuses were used, often ridiculous - I remember very well an interview with Shevakh Weiss, Israeli ambassador here in Poland.

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Distrust of Jews - that is the Europen phobia - nothing unique to Poland
It is neither limited to Europe nor to Jewes. Take Chinese for example.

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Find me a website about Christians in the BoB. Collating religion with nationality is harmless - but the interpretation may be poison. I distrust the nice normal people who when questioned reveal a hatred of Jews.
Find me a page about Roman-Catholic Polish soldiers! Nonsense, as a majority was. It is simply much easier to find minorities, like Czechoslovak, Estonian or US citizens serving in the PAF. Same about religions.
Collating nationality with religion was and is quite common in this part of Europe, where there were no ethnic borders and community was quite mixed and dispersed. Protestants were German, Orthodox - Russians or Rutenians, Jews - well, Catholics - Poles. Naturalisation was partially done by a conversion of religion. The same situation is in Balkans. Perhaps it will change gradually, but I am not so sure. The world is not Britain-like created.

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No, as a believing Jew one is in Covenant with an authority of which no shame may be possible.
So, what is your problem?

Finally, concerning Ajex site - I do not trust them. Judging by their research on Jews in the Polish army (sic!), their research is sloppy or even with a bad will.
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