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Old 23rd July 2009, 19:14
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Re: Soviet losses on 5 VII 1943

Here is what I have (losses to all causes) :

- On the northern face :

Khazanov's work published (in French translation) in July 2008 in the "Batailles Aériennes" periodical shows 83 losses for 2 VA and 50 for 17 VA on the 05/07/1943.

Gorbach's 2007 book mentionned 76 losses for 17 VA (an extremely high loss rate for 446 day sorties, much higher than the loss rates of the other VA, or its own losses in the following days).

The Luftwaffe lost at least 31 airplanes destroyed and 8 more with more than 40% damage, 19 more were damaged.

- On the northern face, all sources agree in giving 98 losses for 16 VA

The Luftwaffe lost at least 24 airplanes destroyed, 2 damaged more than 40%, and 12 more damaged.

- Which gives us a total of at least 231 Soviet losses for at least 55-65 German ones (depending whether you include or not heavily damaged planes as "lost"). During the whole battle (up to 23/07 in the South, up to 11/07 in the North), the ratio of Soviet/German losses in airplanes should be around 2,5-3,5 to 1.


Note that the Soviet figures are global figures given by the authors, while German ones are an addition of individual losses by myself, therefore some German losses may be unnoted in my figures, and, as shown above, Russian sources don't all agree about 17 VA losses...

But I hope that may help you.
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