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Re: JG51 and I./JG53 losses - Eastern Front
Hi, Piotr
I think the main reason that you haven't got an immediate response is due to two reasons mainly:
1. That Prien et al has produced an in depth study of the JG 53 on all fronts, and as mentioned Hans Ring has produced a volume on JG 51. People might hang back due to the fact that they might think you should check these readily available resources yourself first.
2. When it comes to losses in 1944, details are known by studying sources that are not readily available to 'everyone' - logbooks, VLM's, unit records in some cases etc. To build what comprises as a full list of these losses is timeconsuming and not easy.
I will help you out by quoting all losses reported to the Generalquartiermeister for the period you asked, but as I have not yet been able to incorporate all secondary sources into my database, these will be summary records only, listing date of loss, date reported, number of aircraft and category.
For details I suggest you start with the above mentioned works and fill in the list provided as well as you can.
I./J.G.53:
Loss date:#Unit:#No of Aircraft:#Category:#Report date:
08.08.1944#I./J.G.53#1#3#18.08.1944
08.08.1944#I./J.G.53#2#21#18.08.1944
09.08.1944#I./J.G.53#1#21#16.08.1944
J.G.51:
Loss date:#Unit:#No of Aircraft:#Category:#Report date:
03.08.1944#I./J.G.51#1#4#14.08.1944
04.08.1944#Stab/J.G.51#1#7#08.08.1944
04.08.1944#III./J.G.51#1#20#08.08.1944
04.08.1944#III./J.G.51#1#21#08.08.1944
05.08.1944#I./J.G.51#1#4#10.08.1944
05.08.1944#I./J.G.51#1#6#10.08.1944
05.08.1944#I./J.G.51#1#20#10.08.1944
05.08.1944#IV./J.G.51#1#1#11.08.1944
06.08.1944#Stab/J.G.51#1#4#13.08.1944
07.08.1944#IV./J.G.51#2#4#11.08.1944
07.08.1944#IV./J.G.51#1#12#11.08.1944
08.08.1944#I./J.G.51#1#4#14.08.1944 <- The loss you got details on from John
08.08.1944#III./J.G.51#1#21#14.08.1944
09.08.1944#III./J.G.51#1#21#16.08.1944
The list of categories is as follows:
1 Missing due to enemy action
2 Destroyed by anti-aircraft artillery on operational flight
3 Damaged by anti-aircraft artillery on operational flight
4 Destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft on operational flight, observed by enemy
5 Destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft on operational flight, not observed by enemy
6 Damaged by gunfire from enemy aircraft on operational flight, observed by enemy
7 Damaged by gunfire from enemy aircraft on operational flight, not observed by enemy
8 Destroyed by gunfire from enemy infantry on operational flight
9 Damaged by gunfire from enemy infantry on operational flight
10 Destroyed on the ground by enemy bomb
11 Damaged on the ground by enemy bomb
12 Destroyed on the ground by gunfire from enemy aircraft
13 Damaged on the ground by gunfire from enemy aircraft
14 Destroyed on the ground by enemy gunfire from ground forces
15 Damaged on the ground by enemy gunfire from ground forces
16 Destroyed by other enemy action
17 Damaged by other enemy action
20 Destroyed without enemy action on operational flight
21 Damaged without enemy action on operational flight
22 Destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight
23 Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight
Regards,
Andreas B
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