[Arthur]

Thank you all for these suggestions,I’ll hunt them down.Dad gave all his medals away when it all ended and he had never received the paperwork for the ritterkreuz,but he had a nice newspaper clipping from a trip to Germany in 1972,shaking hands with Trautloft,who referred to him as a Ritterkreuz trager, he having approved it. As regards ramming the bomber, he was avoiding a thunderbolt and bit the tail gunners position,he always said he see the look on that mans face.you forget these were all young men Phipps was an old boy but died at 26 ,thanks again