[HGabor]

Thanks Nick, you are welcome ;-))) I must add that I never stated that Hartmann did not hit those enemy aircrafts, what I say is that most of his official 'kills' were probably just damaged planes which cannot be verified from the soviet/allied losses at all. Hartmann openly talked about his tactics of diving on the enemy AC with full speed and opening fire just in the final moments. It is not hard to see that in such circumstances the actual crash in many cases could not be seen, only some hits on the opponent. I think Hartmann gave the most headache to the soviet ground crews patching up the damaged soviet planes after their missions. ;-))))

Gabor