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Old 20th August 2017, 21:31
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Re: Polish PZL-P24 losses on september 1 1939

I have the following claims by German pilots in this battle:

Ltn. Fritz Gutezeit: 1 1./JG 21 PZL P-24 Warschau area 16.55 OKL+JFV d.Dt.Lw. I - 1B
Ltn. Gustav Rödel: 1 2./JG 21 PZL P-24 Warschau area 17.08 OKL+JFV d.Dt.Lw. I - 2B
Oblt. Georg Schneider: 1 3./JG 21 PZL P-24 Marki 17.10 OKL+JFV d.Dt.Lw. I – 3
Uffz. Alfred Sturm: 1 I.(Z)/LG 1 PZL P-24 Warschau: 1500 m 17.10± PT: LG 1; I via Jim P.
Oblt. Walter Fenske: 1 I.(Z)/LG 1 PZL P-24 Warschau 17.10± PT: LG 1; I via Jim P.
Uffz. Peter Laufs: 1 I.(Z)/LG 1 PZL P-24 Warschau: 2000 m 17.10± PT: LG 1; I via Jim P.
Hptm. Fritz Schleiff: 1 I.(Z)/LG 1 PZL P-24 Warschau 17.10± PT: LG 1; I via Jim P.
Hptm. Fritz Schleiff: 2 I.(Z)/LG 1 PZL P-24 Warschau 17.10± PT: LG 1; I via Jim P.
Hptm. Fritz Schleiff: 3 I.(Z)/LG 1 PZL P-24 Warschau 17.10± PT: LG 1; I via Jim P.
Uffz. Heinz Dettmer: 1 3./JG 21 PZL P-24 N. Warschau 17.19 OKL+JFV d.Dt.Lw. I – 4
Oblt. Albrecht Dresz: no (n.b.) 2./JG 21 PZL P-24 Warschau area - OKL+JFV d.Dt.Lw. I – no

AFAIK, all Polish losses listed above are in Warsaw area. Just because the Polish could register the precise crash places, they provide other names, and the only loss listed as "in Warsaw area" is a damaged plane that flew back to base, so precise place of action was not registered.

I./JG 21 claimed four Polish fighters (misidentified as P-24) shot down (and a 5th claim that was rejected) against four P-11 shot down, so Gutezeit very probably shot down one, but I don't have an idea which one. By the way, the aircraft of Ppor Tadeusz Sawicz in my list is said ti have been damaged by I./JG 21, not 1./JG 21: first is the Gruppe, second the Staffel (1., 2. and 3./JG 21 belonged to I./JG 21).

I.(Z)/LG 1 claimed six kills and shot down 4 P-7 and damaged two others that did emergency landings. Given the short time of the campaign, it is fairly possible that the two damaged aircraft were never recovered or repaired and so all six kills are valid.

I guess the repartition of the Polish losses against one German unit or the other is linked to the type of German aircraft reported: I./JG 21 was using Bf 109s while I.(Z)/LG 1 was using two-engined Bf 110s, so identifying them was easy (at least far easier than for German pilots to identify the Polish types...).

By the way, PZL P-24 was the most modern fighter produced by the Polish aviation factories, but was never used by the Polish air force, that still used PZL P-11. According to Wikipedia (for what it is worth), the PAF was waiting for the next one, the PZL P-50, that never reached production. P-24 was used in WWII by Greece and Romania.
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