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Old 23rd December 2019, 15:47
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Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims

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Originally Posted by HGabor View Post
Hi guys, back to Düttmann. His claims over Hungary were discussed years ago:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showpo...&postcount=187

In this list he claimed two Yak-3s on March 8, 1945 that back then I still identified as two 17 VA, 288 IAD, 866 IAP Yak-3s: one overclaim, the other one as S/N: 310099 (engine serial: 422-166) from Tbilisi, factory No.31, piloted by Lt. Victor Vasilevich Yablochkin (KIA/MIA). I checked the loss-details of Yablochkin's Yak-3 again. At 16:20 Moscow time (14:20 local) 6 Yaks, led by Maj. Ivan Fedorovich Panin were flying over the Seregélyes-NE area and met 8 Bf 109s. After the dogfight Panin saw a huge, but unidentified smoke raising from the ground. Yablochkin went missing.

(Note, that this time a huge tank-battle took place below them in the area (3. day of Germany's last, so called Frühlingserwachen, or 'Spring Awakening' offensive!), in which both sides suffered huge losses in an effort to break through the defense lines between Lake Balaton and the city of Székesfehérvár, eg.:

3 Ukr. Front, 18 tank corps, 110 tank-brigade: T-34/85: '406', chassis no.: 412836 (Sgt. Yurii Petrovich Cherkasov, unhurt)
3 Ukr. Front, 18 tank corps, 110 tank-brigade: T-34/85: '407', chassis no.: 412928 (Sgt. I. S. Gorokhov, unhurt)
3 Ukr. Front, 18 tank corps, 110 tank-brigade: T-34/85: '409', chassis no.: 4120466 (perhaps ml.lt. Dmitrii Ivanovich Grigorenko -unhurt, or ml.Lt. Ibrahimov -KIA?)
3 Ukr. Front, 18 tank corps, 110 tank-brigade: T-34/85: '412', chassis no.: 4110247 (perhaps ml.lt. Dmitrii Ivanovich Grigorenko -unhurt, or ml.Lt. Ibrahimov -KIA?)
3 Ukr. Front, 18 tank corps, 110 tank-brigade: T-34/85: '414', chassis no.: 412915 (ml.lt. Georgii Philippovich Potapov, unhurt)
3 Ukr. Front, 18 tank corps, 110 tank-brigade: T-34/85: '447', chassis no.: 412511 (perhaps ml.lt. Dmitrii Ivanovich Grigorenko -unhurt, or ml.Lt. Ibrahimov -KIA?)
3 Ukr. Front, 18 tank corps, 363 gd.self.prop.art.rgt.: ISU-122S: '301', chassis no.: 41224 (gv.lt. Victor Andreevich Katkov, unhurt, comm. of 3rd bttn.)
3 Ukr. Front, 18 tank corps, 363 gd.self.prop.art.rgt.: ISU-122S: '303', chassis no.: 41226 (gv.lt. Dmitrii Kirillovich Kosinov, KIA)
3 Ukr. Front, 18 tank corps, 170 tank-brigade: T-34/85: '5xx', chassis no.: 41xxxx (Sgt. Semen Mikhailovich Shaligin, KIA)

I./SS-Pz.Rgt. 2 'Das Reich': Panther Ausf. G, claimed by T-34/85 '408', chassis no.: 412085 (ml.Lt. Kuzma Petrovich Tarasov) - 110 tank-brigade
I./SS-Pz.Rgt. 2 'Das Reich': Panther Ausf. G, claimed by T-34/85 '408', chassis no.: 412085 (ml.Lt. Kuzma Petrovich Tarasov) - 110 tank-brigade
I./SS-Pz.Rgt. 2 'Das Reich': Panther Ausf. G, claimed by T-34/85 '408', chassis no.: 412085 (ml.Lt. Kuzma Petrovich Tarasov) - 110 tank-brigade
I./SS-Pz.Rgt. 2 'Das Reich': Panther Ausf. G, claimed by T-34/85 '414', chassis no.: 412915 (ml.Lt. Georgii Philippovich Potapov) - 110 tank-brigade
II./SS-Pz.Rgt. 2 'Das Reich': Pz.IV. Ausf. J, claimed by T-34/85 '545', chassis no.: 4121591 (ml.Lt. Arhip Petrovich Dedov) - 170 tank-brigade
I./SS-Pz.Rgt. 9 'Hohenstaufen': Panther Ausf. G, probably destroyed by a 18 tank corps, 208 self.prop.art.brigade, 1016 self.prop.art.rgt. SU-100
I./SS-Pz.Rgt. 9 'Hohenstaufen': Panther Ausf. G, probably destroyed by a 18 tank corps, 208 self.prop.art.brigade, 1016 self.prop.art.rgt. SU-100
I./SS-Pz.Rgt. 9 'Hohenstaufen': Panther Ausf. G, probably destroyed by a 18 tank corps, 208 self.prop.art.brigade, 1016 self.prop.art.rgt. SU-100
7./SS-Pz.Rgt. 2 'Das Reich': StuG III. Ausf. G, '7xx', claimed by M4-A2(76)W 'Sherman' '139', chassis no.: U.S.A. 3080899 (Gv.Lt. Mikhail Ananevich Erastov), 3 Ukr. Front, 1 Gv. Mech. Corps., 18 Gv.Tank-Regiment., ..........etc-etc.)

So the smoke on the ground literally could be anything, not necessarily Yablochkin's Yak-3! Either, or, his time of crash around 14:20 (local) does not match Düttmann's Yak-3 claims at 16:24 at Aba-SW, 3 km and at 16:27 at Aba-S, 4 km.
Hungarian Bf 109G pilot, Kálmán István zls. (101/7. Sq.) claimed a Yak-3 at Dömsöd-NE, 1 km at 14:45 local, which is closer to Yablochkin's loss in time, but still not matching.

17 VA, 288 IAD, 897 IAP also lost a Yak-9T this day in the Börgönd area at 16:40 Moscow, 14:40 local time. A recce. pair of Yak-9s (1Lt. Kondratev - Ml.Lt. Eliseenko) flew in the area when they met 4 Bf 109s and 1Lt. Grigorii Ivanovich Kondratev went missing in his Yak-9T, S/N: 0815354. Eliseenkov returned home alone. Perhaps the Hungarian fighter shot him down at 14:45 and reported wrongly as a Yak-3? Hungarians usually flew in smaller groups, so the reported 4 Bf 109 rather suggest this. (Ml.Lt. Georgii Semenovich Eliseenkov was killed just in a few days near Fáncs on March 12, 1945 in a dogfight in his Yak-3, S/N: 310370 around 17:05 local.)

Gabor



Can this type of material perhaps help us establish the accuracy of Rudel's claims against Russian armour, or perhaps those of Wittmann, Knispel and Carius?
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