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Old 13th April 2005, 09:33
Mirek Wawrzynski Mirek Wawrzynski is offline
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62 years ago Katyn was made public. Genocide issue.

62 years ago Katyn was made public (on 13 IV 1943) + genocide issue.

Going back to disscution began by Franke, I have attached some useful links which all reading in English and wanting to broaden their knowledge can find much more about "Katyn".

On April 13 1943 Berlin Radio announced this find to the world: "A great pit was found, 28 metres long and 16 metres wide, filled with twelve layers of bodies of Polish officers, numbering about 3,000. They were clad in full military uniform, and while many of them had their hands tied, all of them had wounds in the back of their necks caused by pistol shots. The identification of the bodies will not cause great difficulties because of the mummifying property of the soil and because the Bolsheviks had left on the bodies the identity documents of the victims. It has already been ascertained that among the murdered is a General Smorawinski from Lublin.". This is from WIKIPEDIA.

see more going to:

Very useful source information about Katyn is WIKIPEDIA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_Massacre

Very detail site about whole Karyn's" issue
http://www.mswia.gov.pl/mednoe.html

Katyn in Nuremberg
http://nobsnews.blogspot.com/1994/12/katyn-in-nuremberg.html


Genocide's issue

Thanks for correction Hawk-Eye, my speling check does not work so it looks as it looks.

I would like to explain about the case of genocide and meaning of it. This is important in WW II hitory

Genocide - if you look on this meaning as a vertical "example of killing - agains all, antion like Jews, Gypsies" you may say that Katyn was no a example of genocide as many Russian ect are just now saying. There are also on the West simple total lack of undrestanding the evil of communism (big Russia state of workers and peasants + happienes),

I see it (as many Poles) other and this is different meaning.
Any communits regime do not kill any population in "verical fashion" - as did German for example with all Jews, Gypsies, no matter age, sex, ect.

Communist's regime makes it according class principless, so if you have more the "x US Dollars", you have to be destroy as a public enemy, no matter Russian, Pole, Jews, German (all these nations) because you are from one of public enemy class (no right to live, to have property). So intelectual class was also Russian-Soviet public enemy and had to be exterminated because being more inteligent, more power class, less co-operative with Russian regime.

Among 22.000 killed Polish citisens were: Poles, Jews, Ukrainians,Bialorussian, Gerogians or other small nations who were Poles "citisents" and belong to one enemy class - intelectulas - which did want to join Red Russian. Russian could not to turn over them and they had to be mordered as a specific "stuborn class", an "obstacle" on their the road to conquer the whole country and later whole capitalist word.
As Hawk-Eye have written:
They "only" wanted to eliminate those who were educated and able to think (teachers, writers, officers, politicians, doctors etc.), and understood politics, in order not to have any trouble when integrating Poland into Russia. Besides, most of them disliked communism very much, which was a crime already in Soviet eyes."

This was a specific class to be mordered and this I can or other Poles are saying - genocide - this is cricial point of this case - "horisontal termination" - according class and nation rules.

BTW during the Great Pruges (1937-1938) Russian have even develop special category people of "Polish's plots" . From about 700.000 official killed ussin citisents in about one year there were about 125.000 Poles orgin who had stayed in Russia and live under new regime. They were shot due to their Polish origin and as a potential spy for our country. So I can right to say about Russian they they make genocide toward Poles and second toward specific class of Poles this high educated, representatives of Polish's state system.

Russian (Chines, Korean, Khmer Ruge ect) made the same genocide crime's toward own peoples. They did it in horizonal way - against classes (these who can read, write, have more as it was in Kambodia for example).

Germans had made the horrible crimes in "vertical way" the genocide - all have to be mordered as a untermench (specialy Jews, Gypsies but also Poles, Ukrainian ect.). Germans were very proud of them during the whole war, many photos made by them are evident proofs of their happiens during mordering childern, women, old people - these "rats" and untermenchen had no rigths to live on the big III Reich soil.

Regards,

Mirek W
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