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Old 14th July 2016, 14:25
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)

Conclusion about "99 planes" episode.

As it turned out, the number was 98, not 99.

Items 43 and 61 are the same Hs123 WNr 2250. Obviously centerwing and tail part were in the different places.

So 98 planes:
A. 25 - with factory Nos, mentioned in German loss/damages lists and had 60%-100% damages in appropriate timeframe and location (consider 60% as the lower border for write-off though reality was more complicated a bit).
B. 50 - the same but with damages less than 60%.
C. 18 - with factory Nos, but isn’t mentioned in German loss/damages lists in appropriate timeframe and location.
D. 4 - without factory Nos but with board codes.
E. 1 - Hs129 without factory No and board code.

50+18 = 68 planes (items B and C) are the total losses due to enemy action unknown before the current discussion.
4+1 = 5 planes (items D and E) maybe unknown total losses too (partly or in whole).

For some of 4 planes (item D) identification is possible probably, as Andreas Brekken wrote:
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Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken View Post
49. FW 189:
No identifying information. But as all of the aircraft of 3.(H)/12 (aircraft code identifying the unit) reported as lost between 30.06.1942 and 14.08.1942 had personnel injury involved, someone with access to the NVM of the unit might be able to narrow this down (only 5 losses).
It isn’t sole example of unknown losses in similar circumstances.
Another 55 planes from the same source (TsAMO, fund 500) but in more suitable form on Alexey Sergeev's page.
http://deruluft.livejournal.com/93454.html

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Andrey
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