[Adriano Baumgartner]

Hello all friends and members! I am one more time asking help to understand and research the combat that claimed Oblt Werner Uhlig, shot down on 17th September 1944 - as previously answered by very kind friends of the Forum.

I have been looking at my "small" archives and this is what I found ( below ). Yes, I did not have a lot of information about the HOUR / PLACES of combat of USAF and RAF fighters for that day...Could someone help me?

KNOWN FACTS: 17 SEPTEMBER 1944
USAF LOSSES ( KNOWN UP TO NOW )

Please, I would like to know the hour and place of these losses, if possible

4 F.G.
Lt. Clifford E. Holske ( POW ) – P51D serial 44-14054, WD-I ( 335th FS )

361FG
Lt Woodrow W. Glover ( KIA ) – P51B “Mary Jane” serial 42-106944, E9-A

78FG
Capt. Donald C. Hart ( Returned ) – P47D “Vee Gaille III”, serial 42-26330, MX-H

364FG
Lt Harry Johnson Jr. ( KIA ) – P51D “Dosey Doates”, serial 44-13866, N2-V
Lt Douglas R Drysdale ( Evaded ) – P51D “Lovin´Aline” serial 44-14025, 5E-T

359FG
Lt Harold R. Burt ( KIA ) –P51C serial 42-103785, IV-K

353FG
Lt Robert N. Greeve ( KIA ) – P47D “Patricia Baby”, serial 42-75815, YJ-E

LUFTWAFFE LOSSES ( IDEM )

JG 26
( JG 26 claimed a total of 7 P-51 shot down that day on two separate missions! First mission apparently from III/JG 26. Claims between 14:40hs-14:58hs. Second mission apparently by II/JG 26. They claimed 3 Spitfires and 3 P-51 between 17:51 and 18:08hs )

Uffz Helmut Gross ( KIA ) .8/JG 26 – Hoxfeld/Borken by P51
Uffz Johann Holzleitner ( KIA ) .8/JG 26 – Bocholt by P51
Maj. Klaus Mietusch ( KIA ) OC III/JG 26 – Rath/Aldekerk by P51 ( It seems that he was shot down by1/Lt William R. Beyer of 376th FS of 361st FG )

Uffz Artur Neumann .4/JG 26 at Kleve by Spitfires RAF
( apparently on another mission or Area ) – some clues about the time and which RAF Squadrons II/JG 26 met that day?

JG 6
( claimed 2 P-51 shot down near Emmerich-Doesburg and Helmond between 16:35 and 17:00hs )

Oblt Werner Uhlig .5/JG 6 shot near Koln, patrol Kleve/Nijmegen
Shot down by Spitfires of RAF or P-51 from USAF?

Any information on the RAF and USAF side ( hour / place ) would be very nice. Up to now I saw that only the above mentioned 8 AF Squadrons suffered losses that day...

Glad as ever

Adriano