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Old 17th May 2010, 05:44
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Re: Seeking help with research about JG-52 and JG-51 during Zitadelle

With regards to Krupinski and his eleven claims on 5th July 1943 it's a myth, he made only two claims on this day(89-90)............he was actually never really a big day scorer, his best day by far was six on 10th October 1943(144-149)! and his claims seem quite reliable, whereas Hartmann's are allegedly not, though I should think that all least the first seventeen before 5th July 1943 were. With Wiese he had twelve confirmed and one unconfirmed this day, he is a strange case, a hard-liner who had ninety unconfirmed in total......he wasn't short of witnesses, but just couldn't be bothered to submit the paper work and was JG52's top Il-2 destroyer, which is something that Hartmann never really got into........he seemed to avoid not only anything at low altitude, but also anything that could fire back, allegedly he was not very popular!

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