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Old 11th March 2005, 01:41
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Fighters Over the Desert

Hi,

Here are the rest of the Shores & Ring figures for Allied losses to fighters in North Africa in 1942.

February 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 Total
Hurricane 1 - 4 4 - - 1 - - - - - - - - - - 13
Kittyhawk - 1 1 - - 7 1 - - - - 3 - 2 - - - 3 - 18
Fulmar - - 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1
Blenheim - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - 1
Wellington - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - 1


March 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 Total
Hurricane - 3 - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - - 3 - - - - - - - 1 - - - - 8
Kittyhawk - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 2 - - - - - 2 1 - 2 - - 2 - 2 - - - 12
Tomahawk - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - 2 - - - 1 4
Beaufighter - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - 1
Albacore - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1
Beaufort - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1
Boston - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2 - 2 - - - - - - - - 4
Wellington - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1


April 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 Total
Hurricane - 4 1 - - 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4 - - - - - - - - - - 10
Kittyhawk - - 2 - 1 1 2 - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - 10 - - - - - 17
Tomahawk - - - - - - - - 1 - 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - 7
Beaufort - - - - - - - - - - - - - 6 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 6
Maryland - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - 2


May 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 Total
Hurricane - - - - - - - - - 2 - - - - - - - - - - - - 5 - 3 - - 2 4 - 2 18
Kittyhawk - - - - - - - - - - - - 2 - - 3 - - 2 - - 5 1 - - - 5 2 4 12 4 40
Tomahawk - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4 1 1 1 7 15
Beaufighter - - - - - - - - - - - 2 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2
Boston - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - - 1
Baltimore - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4 - - - - - - - - 4


June 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 Total
Spitfire - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 3 - - - - - 3
Hurricane - 1 2 - 1 - 3 2 1 5 2 - - 3 5 1 - - - - - - - - - 3 1 5 1 - - 44
Kittyhawk 3 - - 1 - - 2 1 1 - 2 5 4 2 - 6 2 - - - - - - 2 1 11 1 - - - - 44
Tomahawk 1 - 7 4 2 1 - 3 2 - 1 - 1 1 - 4 3 - - - - - - 1 - 2 1 1 - - - 35
Beaufighter - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4 2 - - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - 7
Albacore - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - 1
Beaufort - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4
Baltimore - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2 3 - - - - 5
Liberator - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1


July 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 Total
Spitfire - - - - 1 2 - - - - - - - - - - 2 - - - 2 1 - - - - - - - - - 8
Hurricane - - 10 7 1 - - - - 6 - - 2 - 1 2 5 2 2 1 2 3 4 5 - - 9 1 - - - 63
Kittyhawk 2 2 3 1 1 1 - - - 5 1 - - 1 - 1 1 - - 3 1 1 1 2 - - 1 - - 1 - 29
Tomahawk - - - - - - 1 - - - 5 - - - - 1 - - - - - - - 2 - - - - - - - 9
Beaufighter - 3 - 1 - - - - - - 2 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 6
Boston - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1
Bombay - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2 - - - - - - - 2
Liberator - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1


August 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 Total
Spitfire - - 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - 1 1 - - - - - - - 1 1 6
Hurricane 2 - 3 2 1 2 2 1 - - - - - - 1 - 2 - - - - - - - 4 - 1 - 1 3 2 27
P-40 - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1
Kittyhawk - - - 2 - - - 1 - 2 - 2 - 7 - 1 - 2 - - - - 1 - - - - 2 4 - - 24
Tomahawk - - - - - - 3 - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4
Beaufighter - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - 2
Bombay - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1


September 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 Total
Spitfire 2 1 2 - 5 - - 1 - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - - 2 - - - - 14
Hurricane 9 6 6 1 1 8 - - - - 2 - - - - - - 2 - - - - - - - 1 - 1 - - 37
P-40 1 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2
Kittyhawk 1 1 5 - 2 2 3 1 - - - 1 1 - 7 1 - - - 3 - - - - - - - - - - 27
Tomahawk 4 2 2 - - 4 2 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 14
Boston - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - 1


October 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Total
Spitfire - 1 - - - - - - 1 2 - - - - - - - - 1 1 1 1 - 8
Hurricane - - - - 1 - - - 8 - - - - - - - - - 1 1 1 - 1 13
Kittyhawk - - - - - - 1 - 6 - - - 2 - - - - - 1 - 2 4 3 19
Tomahawk - - - - - - - - 2 - - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - 3

Here are some more statistics, this time daily sorties by the units under the Fliegerführer Afrika, from various sources, which are noted in the third column:

Date Sorties Source/s
21.03.42 159 NA HW 1
03.04.42 56 fighters NA HW 1
26.05.42 220 fighters Gundelach, p.368
30.05.42 326 NA AIR 20/5774, p.5
10.06.42 299 Gundelach, p.369; NA AIR 20/5774, pp.33-34
14.06.42 390 NA AIR 20/5774, p.42
15.06.42 209 NA AIR 20/5774, p.45
16.06.42 198 NA AIR 20/5774, p.54
20.06.42 580 Luftwaffe NA AIR 20/5774, p.63
177 Regia Aeronautica
08.07.42 185 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
09.07.42 160 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
10.07.42 213 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
11.07.42 265 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
12.07.42 50 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
13.07.42 241 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
14.07.42 226 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
15.07.42 319 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
16.07.42 262 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
17.07.42 274 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
18.07.42 154 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
19.07.42 205 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
20.07.42 90 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
21.07.42 90 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
22.07.42 275 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
23.07.42 205 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
24.07.42 78 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
25.07.42 103 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
26.07.42 36 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
31.08.42 310 Hinsley, Vol. 2, p.421
02.09.42 158 Prien, JG 53, p.449
06.09.42 130 Hinsley, Vol. 2, p.421
22.10.42 142 NA HW 1
24.10.42 107 Hinsley, Vol. 2, p.437

06.42 7,035 Gundelach, p.395
07.42 5,260 Gundelach, p.396

26.05.42 - 01.06.42 2,422 NA AIR 20/5774, p.10
02.06.42 - 07.07.42 6,816 NA AIR 20/5774, p.111
08.07.42 - 26.07.42 3,465 NA AIR 20/5774, p.116

As for the accuracy of the works by Shores et al, it is my humble opinion that Fighters Over the Desert is quite accurate for the losses and victories of British units, because Shores had access to most, if not all, of the British ORBs. It is the same for Shores, Ring & Hess in Fighters Over Tunisia, where the coverage of British units is (again, just my humble opinion) very good. However, in Fighters Over Tunisia the coverage of the American units is not very good, because I guess Hess didn't have access to the detailed Fighter Squadron and Fighter Group records.

Cheers,
Andrew A.

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