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Old 28th August 2019, 21:11
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Re: 107 Wins for Normandy-Niemen in October 1944: Myth or Reality?

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Originally Posted by Courtois Laurent View Post
I give you my list certainly incomplete, that luftwaffe specialists (that I am not) will correct.

Hello Laurent! Glad to see that someone else interesting in this topic. I'm also combining data about Air battle in East Prussia in October 1944. Look also for this topic: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=51705


That Air battle was really intense. And looks like losses of luftwaffe were in some cases significant. But a rate of overclaiming of VVS and Normandie was also relevant. There were some reasons for that. For example, in some cases soviet and french fighters have attacked same german planes previously damaged. But even in this case it could return. Hitted german planes dived to the ground and hided into clouds of low fog over the ground. The weather were difficult most of time. In this case there could be 2-3 claimes without a real victory.

In that air battle Normandie was the strongest (more then 50 pilots) and the main regiment wich got an order of combat air patrols and hunting. So it isn't strange that it claimed most of the victories. At least shooting of Trenkel and death of Huffner looks like their work. But there is also possibillity that also a soviet fighters did it.

For the full picture it is need to be complete information about german damaged aircraft. But it is obviously incomplete because information about totally lost aircraft counts much more numbers than damaged. And actually there is lack information about events from german site to precise correct dates and time in german reports. For example almost unclear details and time of Huffner's death.


Thank you for a nice map also.
Some corrections to your list:

1. In October have took apart in battle in East Prussia on Fw 190 also Stabstaffel/JG51, II., III./SG4 and probably Stab./SG3

2. 10 / SG1 according to the ww2.dk in october was 8 Ju 87, you missed with the September
3. IV./SG9 - do you mean Stab IV./SG9? Looks like it had only 6 Hs 129
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