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Old 7th February 2014, 09:28
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Re: German overclaims in the East. Hartmann and others...

No problem. Lipfert eg. downed 2 IL-2s on March 20, 1945 while being 'drunk'. It was not his fault, he got an alarmstart while celebrating. Anyway, with reduced fear he downed 2 IL-2s from the waves of the 17 VA, 136 ShAD, 210 ShAP in the Lake Balaton-NE area in Hungary. Overall he mainly battled the 17 VA, not the 5th.

Victories: No.190 at 15:33 and No.191 at 15:41. (Reported locations are not accurate.) Victims:

17 VA, 136 ShAD, 210 ShAP, Ilyushin IL-2m3, S/N: 11082, Mikulin AM-38F engine: S/N. 252688 from Plant 1., Kuybishev, Russia. Tactical No.: White '8'. Crew: ml.l-t Petr Alekseevich Taranovich pilot and st.s-t Victor Konstantinovich Ogarkov gunner, injured. Crashed at Gúttamási-NW.

17 VA, 136 ShAD, 210 ShAP, Ilyushin IL-2m3, S/N: 1871797, Mikulin AM-38F engine: S/N. 257374 from Plant 18., also Kuybishev, Russia. Tactical No.: White '23'. Crew: Aleksei Dmitrievich Belyashin pilot KIA and s-t Phillip Fomich Verbitski gunner KIA. They crashed in the swampy lake near Öskü. Their plane has been partially recovered.

See small samples from the dozens of detailed documentation pages of 136 ShAD and 210 ShAP. (1945 journal) See also portrait of Belyashin (+) and the crash site during the recovery. Soviet documentation, or "MACR" :-))) sometimes attached even visual draft of the dogfight, see Belyashin's loss with the attack of Bf 109s and 'Fw 190's at Öskü.

Gabor

PS: guys, I am sorry, but I must be very brief in the future as this case is ONLY a brief sample to show you what soviet records hold. As I am a supporter of an Aviation Museum, I have certain limits of sharing our stuff, even if we have all of the details. Thanks for understanding.

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