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Old 16th December 2018, 13:27
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Re: RAF Bomber gunner claim during the night 5-6/07/1941 over Belgium

Hi,
Checked the orb’s of almost all possible RAF units concerned.

The following units didn’t have any operational sorties that night :
12, 40, 44, 50, 51, 77, 97, 102, 104, 106, 115, 138, 142, 214, 218, 304, 305, 405, 408 and 455 Squadron.

5 O.T.U. sorties
I don’t have the orb’s of these units, but it is doubtfull that they were envolved in any fighting with Luftwaffe planes.

7 Hampden – minelaying in the Frisians
The aircraft were from 49, 61 and 83 Squadron, but no remarks about any contact with Luftwaffe planes is mentioned in the orb’s.

39 Hampden to Osnabrück
The orb of 144 Squadron (AIR 27/981) mentions for AD905 :
At 0232 hours we observed a flarepath on our starboard side near a heavy searchlight barrage. An enemy aircraft caught in a barrage fired a two-starred recognition cartridge (Red changing to white). In take advantage of this we glided towards the flare-path and released our bombs at 0235 hours. The bursts were seen to straddle the flare-path. The flare-path was not extinguished until after the bombs had been dropped. We afterwards pinpointed this as Plantlunne aerodrome just south of Lingen.
No information regarding contact with Luftwaffe planes is mentioned in the orb’s of 49, 61 and 83 Squadrons.

33 Wellington to Bielefeld
The partly partwritten orb of 301 Squadron (AIR 27/1660) mentions :
One aircraft was attacked by E/A but continued w.all remainder. Succesfully attacked target …(2 words unreadable for me) to base.
(The Form 541 doesn’t mention any additional details, sa the serial of the plane in question.)
No information regarding contact with Luftwaffe planes is mentioned in the orb’s of 103,150 and 300 Squadrons.

13 Halifax and 3 Stirling to Magdeburg
The orb of 35 Squadron (AIR 27/379) mentions :
L9524 : Enemy fighters were very active, and red flares put up to give position, but was not intercepted and returned to Base at time stated.
L9495 : Intercepted by enemy fighter over Zuiderzee; all rear guns jammed but pilot carried out succesful evasive action and shock-off the enemy. Landed safely at Base at time stated.
L9511 : One enemy fighter was seen, but made no attack. Returned safely to base, landing at time stated.
No information regarding contact with Luftwaffe planes is mentioned in the orb’s of 7 and 76 Squadrons.

14 Wellington To Rotterdam
The partly partwritten orb of 301 Squadron (AIR 27/1660) mentions :
One aircraft was attacked by E/A but continued w.all remainder. Succesfully attacked target …(2 words unreadable for me) to base.
(The Form 541 doesn’t mention any additional details, sa the serial of the plane in question. – see also : 33 Wellington to Bielefeld)
No information regarding contact with Luftwaffe planes is mentioned in the orb’s of 99, 101, 103 and 150 Squadrons. (The 2 aircraft of 103 Squadron had Amsterdam as target and 3 of 150 Squadron Boulogne).

65 Wellington and 29 Whitley to Munster
The orb of 10 Squadron (AIR 27/142) mentions :
Z6669 : No flak was encountered but at 0125 hrs, at 8,000 ft over the target an ME 110 passed astern on the port side. Also at 0248 hrs, another ME 110 passed astern 100 yds. Above. In neither of these cased did the enemy aircraft see our aircraft.
Z6794 : At 0135 hrs, at 11,000 ft, a twin engined enemy aircraft was sighted 300 yds. ahead, rising from underneath our aircraft. The front gunner fired two bursts but the enemy aircraft did not appear to have seen the Whitley and it disappeared.
Z6588 : At 0140 hrs, at 12,000ft. a twin engined enemy aircraft appeared from above from starboard and passed right underneath the tail of the Whitley. The captain took prompt and effective evasive action – making a steep diving turn to starboard – engines full out – reaching an I.A.S. of 250 m.p.h.. The enemy aircraft was not seen again. The rear gunner of this aircraft reported seeing an explosion in mid-air at 0220 hrs, and seeing pieces falling to the ground.
Z6627 : At 0100 hrs, at 12,000 ft.north west of Rheine, a burst of tracer was seen to port and an aircraft was seen to go down in flames.
Z6624 : At 0058 hrs, at 11,000 ft. the rear gunner saw an engagement between two aircraft near some searchlights, one aircraft (not being held by searchlights) was seen to go down on fire.
Z6672 : At 0110 hrs, at 10,000 ft, a ME 110 with red and green wing tip lights came in astern to 300 yds. range, lights were switched off, our aircraft took evasive action and lost the enemy. At 0140 hrs. At 9,500 ft. over the Zuyder Zee two more enemy aircraft were sighted but no action developed.
Z6564 : This crew also report seeing an aircraft go down on fire.
(Remark: the serial of these planes are difficult to read in my copy of the orb.)

The orb of 75 Squadron (AIR 27/645) mentions :
One of our aircraft was attacked by a Me.109 which dived away after out rear gunner had fired two bursts.
R1163: P/O.Scott reports one Me.109 closed in to 150 yards. Rear gunner fired two bursts and the 109 dived away. Two others seen, but no attacks.

The orb of 78 Squadron (AIR 27/660) mentions :
Z6555 : The aircraft was held in searchlights and attacked by enemy aircraft which hit the port wing. The rear gunner fired a short burst, enemy aircraft turned to port and disappeared. Enemy aircraft made a second attack and as it turned away the rear gunner followed it with a long burst. It is not known whether it was destroyed.
The reargunner was Sgt.Byrne.

The orb of 311 Squadron (AIR 27/1686) mentions :
During the return journey, a/c 1451, Captained by F/Sgt.Schor, had a short encounter with an enmy aircraft and an exchange of fire was made. The enemy disappeared but returned shortly afterwards and resumed the attack. He was engaged by the rear-gunner, Sgt.Kadlec, who claims to have inflicted damage upon it. During the combat, Sgt.Kadlec was badly wounded in the leg and has since had to have the limb amputated. Despite the fact that the aircraft was hit by enemy flak which had made a large hole in the starboard wing and flap, the captain made a safe landing with a punctured tyre.
An enemy aircraft also attacked the machine captained by F/Sgt.Bernat and set fire to the fabric of the port centre section wing, top and bottom, with the second pilot, Sgt.Linka, flying the aircraft and taking avoiding action. F/Sgt.Hernat and F/Sgt. Haering fought the fire which had now spread to a large portion of the fabric of the fuselage, cabin curtains, bed and heating pipes. F/Sgt. Hernat resumed control of the machine while P/O Kula, F/Sgt. Haering and Sgt.Linka succeeded in extinguising the fire only to discover that the rear-turret had been hit causing oil leakage. However, the rear-gunner manipulated his turret by hand and gave the enemy several bursts which caused him to break off the engagement. As the hydraulic systen had been hit putting the flaps and wheels out of action, a belly landing was made at Wretham and other than burns, the crew were all safe and unhurt.
1451 P : A short combat took place during the aircraft return. A short exchange of machine-gun fire was made. A few minutes later the a/c was again attacked and the R/G was wounded. Our R/G claims to have damaged attacking aircraft, A/C hit by enemy flak, damaged starboard undercarriage and punctured petrol-tank.
The reargunner of this aircraft (R1451) was Sgt.Kadlec.
1532 R : A/C attacked by unseen fighter. Incendiary bullets set fire to the under-side of the port-wing, fabric and cabin-curtains. Fire was extinguished Navigator and W/T operator. Two further attacks were made, during which the rear-turret was hit, causing oil-leakages, necessitating the turret being manipulated by hand. R/G claims e/a hit and was last seen diving away.
The reargunner of this aircraft (R1532) was Sgt. Benes.

Can we conclude that one of these rear-gunners of a Wellington, Sgt.Kadlec of 311 Squadron - R1451 or Sgt.Benes of 311 Squadron – R1532 or Sgt.Byrne of 78 Squadron - Z6555, shot down the aircraft ?

Best regards

Luc
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