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Old 4th April 2018, 12:08
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Re: losse of an Il-2 (Hungarian Border) 14/03/45

Boris,
I am not aware of any Hungarian IL-2 victories in the area, so I assume they were German Bf 109s. Note, that the reported time (18:00 hrs) in soviet doc was Moscow local time, so the dogfight could take place around 16:00 hrs local time - just to match to the proper Axis reports. (See Sidelnikov's attached 165 GvShAP record for March 14, 1945 below.)

I think there are two options for the loss of his IL-2:

1: As I said, it was not a complete loss and the plane returned to service, or:
2: Since the listed losses (serials) are from division, and not regiment-level reports, it was delayed a few days while sending up the records between the offices, and were reported only by March 17, 1945, not March 14. So it could be 1871190, or 1871588. (Another example: 167 GvShAP IL-2 No.1874488 was lost on January 20, 1945 in the regiment docs, but was written off at 10 GvShAD division-level only by January 25, 1945!)

Since I have no regiment level reports for the 10 GvShAD regiments, I cannot tell which option is correct. Anyways, here is the full list of the reported IL-2 losses of the 10 GvShAD between March 14, 1945 and their transfer to the new Yugoslav Air Force by April 27, 1945:

March 17, 1945:

1871190 - MIA
1871588 - MIA (originally from ОдВО - Odessa Military District) - Note: 167 GvShAP pilot gv.ml.l-t Ivan Ivanovich Evgenevich failed to return from a mission in the Donji Miholjac area on March 16, 1945, so either in 1871190, or in 1871588.

March 21, 1945:

9873 - MIA - Note: gv.capt. Ivan Dmitrievich Pavlov (165 GvShAP) was killed on March 18, 1945 at Valpovo, while Vladimir Semyonovich Filippov (166 GvShAP) was killed at Brcko-E on March 19, 1945 - probably a few days delay in division AC loss report!

March 23, 1945:

1885801 - MIA (from ПриВО)
18772100 - MIA (transfer from 217 ШАП)

April 11, 1945:

8923 - wear and tear (scrapped)
1872798 - crashlanding
1875477 - accident
1875689 - wear and tear (scrapped)
1880901 - MIA (ОдВО не числится ВВС КА)
18881115 - crashlanding

April 20, 1945:

1870695 - accident
1870885 - flak (2 ВА списан)
1871290 - crashlanding
1877094 - crashlanding

April 24, 1945:

9885 - crashlanding
1873595 - MIA
1873648 - wear and tear (scrapped) - from 16 ВА, this was an 'UIL-2' trainer version!!!
18861115 - flak

April 27, 1945:
ALL REMAINING IL-2s of 10 GvShAD have been transferred to the New Yugoslav Air Force as:

165 GvShAP -> 421° assault regiment (jurisni puk)
166 GvShAP -> 422° assault regiment (jurisni puk)
167 GvShAP -> 423° assault regiment (jurisni puk)

I have their 71 serials too, but the list is too long for here. I hope this helps.
Gabor

Last edited by HGabor; 3rd May 2018 at 14:00.
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