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Old 9th January 2022, 17:04
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Hptm. Trautwein II./N.J.G. 1

Dear gents,

is the Hptm. Heinz Trautwein formerly Gr.kdr. II./L.L.G. 1 identical with the Hptm. Trautwein in II./N.J.G. 1?

If yes, which squadron he belonged to?

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Old 10th January 2022, 17:36
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Re: Hptm. Trautwein II./N.J.G. 1

Dear Rene,
This is what DeZeng and Stankey say about Heinz Trautwein:
TRAUTWEIN, Heinz. (DOB: 09.02.16). 01.10.36 trf to the Luftwaffe. 01.10.36 trf to the Luftwaffe.
01.04.37 Ofhr., IV./KG 152, promo to Lt.(RDA 01.04.36). 1937-38 Stabsoffz. with KG 152. 01.09.39 Lt., promo to Oblt.(Tr.O.), in KGr.z.b.V. 1. 01.10.39 promo to Oblt. 02.42 Oblt., Techn.Offz./Lufttransportführer 1. 01.04.42 promo to Hptm. 05.42 appt Staka 1./LLG 2. c.12.42 Hptm., Staka Erprobungsstaffel/XI. Fl.Korps. 15.03.43 Hptm., awarded Ehrenpokal. c. 20.03.43 Hptm., appt Kdr. II./LLG 1 (to 14.06.43). 10.43 assigned to Stab/I./Fl.Korps with Ic. 06.44 trf to Stab /Fsch.AOK with Ic. Credited with 81 missions.

Apparently, there is nothing about NJG 1...
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Old 10th January 2022, 18:11
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Re: Hptm. Trautwein II./N.J.G. 1

In fact, Hptm. Trautwein was the commanding oficer of II/LLG 1 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luftlandegeschwader_1, so the numbers of the wing and the group are the same. Maybe it's the same person, but he was never in NJG 1.
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Re: Hptm. Trautwein II./N.J.G. 1

Hi Teresa,

thanks for your reply, I know the entry from DeZeng & Stankey. In fact there is a Hptm. Trautwein in II./N.J.G. 1. But obviously the persons are not identical.

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Re: Hptm. Trautwein II./N.J.G. 1

Only other Trautwein are Kurt who is Stabsartz, and Max who is Oberstleutnant born 1898. What is your source for another Trautwein?
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Re: Hptm. Trautwein II./N.J.G. 1

Hello,

from KTB II./N.J.G. 1. I read the name as Trautwein. Perhaps a misreading of me?

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Re: Hptm. Trautwein II./N.J.G. 1

You are right. Hauptmann Heinz Trautwein. promoted to Hptm. 1. april 1942. Transferred to II/NJG 1, 17. november 1944. So it is the same person. De Zeng/Stankey got his late war assignment wrong.
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Re: Hptm. Trautwein II./N.J.G. 1

Hello Junker,

thank you for confirmation. The first mention of Hptm. Trautwein in the KTB is dated with 4.12.44. So it's plausible.

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Date for transfer is mentioned in the officer list at the beginning of the KTB.
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Re: Hptm. Trautwein II./N.J.G. 1

Correct, you are right. 17.11.44 from Schulstaffel N.J.G. 1 to II./N.J.G. 1.

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