Loss of Halifax NA568 LK-Q 11 Sep 44

[mal_ridley]

Hello All,

A relative of mine, Sgt Bert Ridley of 578 Squadron RAF, was killed when his Halifax was shot down during the daylight raid on Gelsenkirchen on 11 September 1944. I am trying to trace the precise crash site. RAF records show it simply as Kirchhellen, although it is not clear whether that refers to the town or the nearby airfield.

If anyone has any details or research suggestions, I would be very grateful. I have tried several lines of research in the town of Kirchhellen, with no success yet. I plan to visit the area next month, with other members of my family and one of the crew members who survived the crash - he and other members of the crew were able to able out of the aircraft, but Bert was killed by the initial AAA hit.

Best regards,

Mal Ridley

[Icare9]

Mal, your relative, Albert James Ridley 1334902, was the rear gunner. The aircraft was reported as brought down by flak. Rear gunners tended to survive a lot of crashes, in this case it would seem that flak hit the tail, killing him. The rest of the crew were taken PoW so there may be more information in the NA at Kew if they completed any reports on release in 1945. it might also be more specific about where they crashed.

I would expect Sgt Ridley to have been buried in a churchyard near the crash site. The CWGC may have records detailing from where his body was recovered prior to being reburied at Reichswald.

Hope that's of help.

[Horst Weber]

Good evening Mal !

There are atleast two entries of British bomber crashes in the Luftgaukommando files known tracing to the crash in Kirchhellen that day.
-file # KU 2967 reports: 11 Sep 44 1836 Halifax 499 m NE. airfield Kirchhellen, 8 km SW. Dorsten
-file # KU 2996 reports: 11 Sep 44 1838 Kirchhellen, 6 km NW Gladbeck

On my opinion, both reports cover one event, since the rest of the crew baled out and was probably wide-spread captured and so different responsibilities gave there report another file-number.

You can order this reports in the U.S. National Archives.

All the best !

Horst Weber

[Icare9]

Tag, Horst
We do make jokes about German thoroughness, but to record the crash site as 499 metres NE from the Kirchhellen airfield surely takes the prize!!
Seriously, thanks for your help.
Would those files also cover wreckage of Halifax losses around Leipzig 3rd/4th December 1943?

[Horst Weber]

Good evening Icare9 !

It's indeed funny since I never found such a precise distance (or what ever it was ???) had been reported.
Kirchhellen airfield is listed in the Ries-book of German airfields of WW 2.
It is also listed in the allied airfields as Y82.

Today, the airfield is still in use for Sport and minor training/business activities under the name: Dinslaken "Schwarze Heide".

The tower-coordinates are: 6°51'46'' East
51°36'53'' North


From which point should the 499 meter research start now ?

All the best !

Horst Weber

[ssg keay]

The search should start by checking if there is an aerial recce photo (which I am sure there is) from the area in question dated after the crash. You should see markings on the ground, even if the wreckage was removed. Danny

[Horst Weber]

Originally Posted by ssg keay

The search should start by checking if there is an aerial recce photo (which I am sure there is) from the area in question dated after the crash. You should see markings on the ground, even if the wreckage was removed. Danny

Thanks Sir !

But unfortunately, I'm not in the possession of an aerial recce photo of the spot.

Horst Weber

[Icare9]

Good point, Danny.
Where is the nearest church and cemetery to the airfield? Would they have any records of wartime burial of RAF crew? If it was the only bomber to crash in the locality, there may be photo's etc in local newspapers archives.

[Horst Weber]

Originally Posted by Icare9

Good point, Danny.
Where is the nearest church and cemetery to the airfield? Would they have any records of wartime burial of RAF crew? If it was the only bomber to crash in the locality, there may be photo's etc in local newspapers archives.

Good evening Mal & Danny !

The local newspaper trace would not work, since in this stage of war, no German newspaper was allowed to report about matters like that. The church and cemetary record idea would not work either, since the parishes were not allowed, to note graves officially of this particular matter in their records. Sometimes, but that is very rare, you find some notices in the priest's private diaries.

The best way to find some information is, to contact the town of Bottrop. In 1944, Kirchhellen was an own town with a regisration office. Postwar, the British Administration ordered, that the German local administrations had to register in their register-book of the local administration the death of British airmen, when a case like this occored.

In the German local-administration deseased-books, you can find a lot of entries in the years 1946-1949, confirming this with high or less accuracy.

In 1944, Kirchhellen was a town of its own and had his own registry office. In the 1970s, local responsibilities changed and Kirchellen became a part of the City of Bottrop. I am sure, the register-books of Kirchhellen are now at the local adminstration of Bottrop and you should contact them.

All the best !

Horst Weber

[Icare9]

Horst, many thanks for your detailed explanation. I have been wondering if there were other sources of records, such as newspapers and church records, and this clarifies why none were permitted!