Photos French Aircraft

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebays are the following photos of French aircraft :



1.. https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Photo-aviati...8AAOSw10BfkF0P

2. https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Photo-aviati...oAAOSwKThfkF20

3. https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Photo-aviati...0AAOSw0ItfkF34

4. https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Photo-aviati...4AAOSwkvZfkF5b

5. https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Photo-aviati...sAAOSw9p5fkF6U

6. https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Photo-aviati...QAAOSwsBNfkF7-

7. https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Photo-aviati...IAAOSwe65fkF-t

8. https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Photo-aviate...AAAOSwzrtfkGB-


9.https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-WORLD-WAR...8AAOSw79VfmzHA



Regards,


Clint

[musec04]

Hello,


Another selection of french aircraft from Delcampe can be seen as follows:


1. https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...118820308.html


2. https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...118820284.html


3. https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...118820254.html


4. https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...118820185.html


5. https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...118819972.html


6. https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...118819954.html


7. https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...118819939.html


8. https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...118819747.html


9. https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...118819807.html


10. https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...118819705.html


11. https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...118816591.html


12. https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...118816453.html


13. https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...118816339.html


14. https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...118816303.html


15. https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...118767964.html


16. https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...118767877.html


17. https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collections/photographie/photos/aviation/photo-avion-spad-biplace-et-nieuport-mono-placve-escadrille-de-chasse-1917-19x13cm-1118766899.html



Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

Well Clint

To paraphrase Adolf Galland the interesting photos in this lot are the first and the last.

The odd experimental Henri Farman (photo 1) is especially interesting.
Why this aircraft is where it is stated to be feels also a bit odd to me, but who knows?
I have it listed myself as a HF 36 variant, poss built before (or after... )

First time I see the complete photo of the SA.2 with the Nieuports in the background (photo 17). Previously I have it as a "close-up" of the SA.2 only.

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Hi Stig,


I believe that the Farman in link No.1 is a F.45 as is this:


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/AVIATION-PHO...oAAOSwZ-5fnRrb


Looking at Kees Kort's site once again the F.36 looks quite distinctive though the tailplane is not unlike that on the F.45:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/varese...5561/lightbox/


The Spad A.2 S.31 of N.73 can still be seen on the Spad thread of this board. I note the seller is the same in both cases.


Regards,


Clint

[jschreiber]

Hello

I agree, the Farman is a F 45.

Another photo (maybe of the same plane) here :

https://www.aviafrance.com/farman-f-...rance-6522.htm

Regards

Jean Schreiber

[Stig Jarlevik]

Hi Guys

I agree, the first aircraft is the F.45
Missed out on that one in Soltan/Davilla's book.
The funny thing is that they have the aircraft both on p 247 (as the F.45) and again on page 256 (as unknown #4), and of course it was the latter I spotted...

Also must say the Farman aircraft are in a terrible order in the book.
Things would have been a lot easier if the various Farman types had been presented in
a) company order
b) type order

Cheers
Stig

[Buckeye30]

Hi Stig. I think this is the Test Centre at Orly in Nov.-Dec. 1918 ( "Acceptance Park No. 1"). Most likely 42133 (they still used "SC" for Signal Corps), tail marking is......
L
USA
C.11
.....this is the ex-French one now in the US National Museum with re-painted camouflage and designator. Some went to McCook Field with "P" tail numbers.



Nick

[Stig Jarlevik]

Could be Nick

However the US requested aircraft would surely have carried the same fin markings?

How certain are you?

Cheers
Stig

[Buckeye30]

I can't be positive but as I remember the French example had US cocardes removed (none in this picture); these designators were also on USAS LUSAC.11s (mostly this style) but with some variations.........
SC.42138 at McCook was marked
"L
USA
C.11
P
54
S.C.
42138"
---------- 40015 was marked-
"USA
C.11
40015
P
53"
Both had US rudder stripes and both S.C. and A.S. prefixes were used though "Air Service" had been authorised on 24 May 1918. A LUSAC at the Packard car plant in Detroit with a mock-up of a Bugatti engine had similar tail markings to Clint's original photo.
These are the 3 fields at the Orly base; I may be mistaken about the location but there are photos showing a similar line of trees though they would no doubt be very common.


Nick

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_A...field_Maps.jpg

[Stig Jarlevik]

Good points Nick

The lack of underwing markings are compelling, but not 100% proof as I see it.

Tricky, this one. At this stage I will leave the answer open with a slight leaning towards your theory.

I confess I like these discussions we have regarding old "oddities". Always a pleasure to take part
in yours and Clint's thinkings!

Cheers
Stig