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Old 29th June 2013, 19:56
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Translation of text about witnesses to crash

I am writing a story about the crash of Mag the Hag II, a B-17, on Sep 13, 1944 in Neusteadt, Germany. I am referencing a book, Jagdgeschwader 300, by Lorant and Goyat. The appendix has a listing of claims that day and one of them is by Fhr. Otto Leisner. In the remarks column there is the note:

Witnesses: GFM Hueckel, Sauer, Hesse (Gruppe Feldwerft-Geraet Eschwege).

Can anyone tell me what GFM means and what the unit is?
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Old 29th June 2013, 20:05
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Re: Translation of text about witnesses to crash

Aloha,

GFM is the abbreviation for "Generalfeldmarschall". Same rank as the famous "Herr Meier", Keitel, Kesselring and others i.e.
I don't know either which kind of unit a "Feldwerft-Gerät" was, but Eschwege is a town in Germany.

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Old 10th July 2013, 05:23
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Re: Translation of text about witnesses to crash

Norbert,
Thanks for your time and reply. I haven't been able to find a GFM Hueckel... bit of a mystery.
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Old 10th July 2013, 07:58
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Re: Translation of text about witnesses to crash

Hello Rbakerj,

"GFM" certainly does not stand for "Generalfeldmarschal" in this context.

I think, it could be "Gefolgschaftsmitglied" what is a typical Third-Reich terminus for members of non-military or non-NSDAP organisations. A worker at Junkers or Krupp would be a Gefolgschaftsmitglied of this manufacturer.

"Gruppe Feldwerft Gerät" is not that clear. An educated guess:
A Feldwerft is a military maintainance installation. In German Wehrmacht larger units sometimes were split into subunits for technical or administrative reasons, which were called a "Gruppe" (group). So "Gruppe Feldwerft Gerät" could be a subdivision of a Luftpark, a Schleuse or anything like this, responsible for Feldwerft-Gerät (equipment for Feldwerften).

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Old 14th July 2013, 06:32
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Thank you, Carl. I have to admit I only found Generalfeldmarschall and thought it a bit odd.
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Old 14th July 2013, 06:47
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@Charles, do you have a listing for WNr for Bf-109 G's? I am looking for details about the Red 7 flown by Lt. Manfred Dieterle of 2./JG300 on Sept 13, 1944. Another poster said that this a/c was lost on Sep 27.
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Old 14th July 2013, 12:33
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Re: Translation of text about witnesses to crash

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I am writing a story about the crash of Mag the Hag II, a B-17, on Sep 13, 1944 in Neusteadt, Germany. I am referencing a book, Jagdgeschwader 300, by Lorant and Goyat. The appendix has a listing of claims that day and one of them is by Fhr. Otto Leisner. In the remarks column there is the note:

Witnesses: GFM Hueckel, Sauer, Hesse (Gruppe Feldwerft-Geraet Eschwege).

Can anyone tell me what GFM means and what the unit is?
Thanks,
If Hückel, Sauer and Hesse were assigned to Gruppe Feldwerft-Gerät in Eschwege, why not Gruppen Feldwerft-Mechaniker or Gruppen Flugzeug-Mechaniker.

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Old 23rd July 2013, 22:40
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B-17 Mag the Hag II
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...567799&df=all&
http://www.ww2f.com/topic/46148-airm...-john-e-hogan/
http://www.6thcorpscombatengineers.c...showtopic=7652
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