Any idea what Bf-109 this could be?

[FPSOlkor]

Found in Novgorod area at Novii Moh marshland. Am i wrong, or do I see a remains of a Chevron aft-below cocpit?

[bn785371]

Me109E,look at the square wingtips.

[FPSOlkor]

II jg 77?

[Larry Hickey]

Hello,

Definitely a II./JG77 insignia, with probably an Adjutant's cheveron. Very interesting Bf109E.

Regards

[Mikael Olrog]

It could be Bf 109E-7 W.Nr. 3579 White 7 4./JG 77 now flying in Canada or
Bf 109E-4 W.Nr. 1407 Red 5 14./JG77 and Black 2 5./JG 77 now exhibited at Deutsches Technikmuseum, Berlin.
/Mike

[DaveM2]

Mike

The latter I think, need to know was the pic was taken. I have a colour close up of that somewhere on file taken in Hungary before restoration

Dave

FPSOlkor, check your PM

[FPSOlkor]

A suggesion came that this could be Horst Karganiko's plane. E-1 turned to E-7. Recovered in late 80-s

[markjsheppard]

Hi

This is Bf109 1407 handed over to Luftwaffe November 1939.

It is possible that on the 27th June 1940 ‘1407?’ ‘<|+-’ of Stab II/JG77 suffered 10% damage in combat south of Stavanger. After repair it was issued to 5./JG77 and coded up as ‘Black 2’ of 5./JG77

On the 27th November 1940 both Bf109 E-3 ‘1407’ ‘Schwarz 2’ and Bf109 E-1 ‘3590’ ‘Schwarz 8’ suffered 20% damage whilst undertaking emergency landings on the island of Hitra. Norway whilst on a delivery flight to I/JG77. There is a photo of Black 2 in Mombeek/Prien book.

After repair in early 1941 it was issued to I/JG77. The final loss is recorded as 17th July 1941 when coded ‘Rot 5’ of 14./JG77. It seems certain the pilot was Lt Hans Mahlkuch. He was known to have been shot down, belly landing on a lake in the summer of 1941 and returning to Petsamo with no boots. He was killed a month later flying Bf109 E-3 W.Nr1118 ‘Rot 5’ of 14./JG77.

Unfortunately the DTM have it marked up as Red 5 with the II/JG77 Gruppe shield.

Another interesting discover was the tailplane was painted yellow, though never fully establish whether this was only to the undersde. Unfortunately little was recorded on the markings/Stkz etc when it was restored.

i am trying to get photos from the Russian diver who recovered it but without success.

regards

Mark

[markjsheppard]

Hi

in addition, it was recovered from the Arctic circle between Murmansk and Kirkenes, not Novgorod region.

The Bf109 recovered which belonged to Carganico was a Bf109 F4/z and is now restored and on static display in Canada.

regards

Mark

Originally Posted by FPSOlkor

Found in Novgorod area at Novii Moh marshland. Am i wrong, or do I see a remains of a Chevron aft-below cocpit?

nice photo wish i was in there ..
GARY