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Old 14th December 2007, 18:18
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This is a true story, the two men attended a long time World War Two event in Reading PA. A friend of ours had the wonderful opportunity to speak to them both a few years ago at Reading.


Charlie Brown was a B-17 Flying Fortress pilot with the 379th Bomber Group atKimbolton,England. His B-17 was called 'Ye Old Pub' and was in a terrible state, having been hit by flak and fighters. The compass was damaged and they were flying deeper over enemy territory instead of heading home to Kimbolton.

After flying over an enemy airfield, a German pilot named Franz Steigler was ordered to take off and shoot down the B-17. When he got near the B-17, he could not believe his eyes. In his words, he 'had never seen a plane in such a bad state'. The tail and rear section was severely damaged, and the tail gunner wounded. The top gunner was all over the top of the fuselage. The nose was smashed and there were holes everywhere .

Despite having ammunition, Franz flew to the side of the B-17 and looked at Charlie Brown, the pilot. Brown was scared and struggling to control his damaged and blood-stained plane.

Aware that they had no idea where they were going, Franz waved at Charlie to turn 180 degrees. Franz escorted and guided the stricken plane to and slightly over the North Sea towards England He then saluted Charlie Brown and turned away, back to Europe.

When Franz landed he told the C/O that the plane had been shot down over the sea, and never told the truth to anybody. Charlie Brown and the remains of his crew told all at their briefing, but were ordered never to talk about it.

More than 40 years later, Charlie Brown wanted to find the Luftwaffe pilot who saved the crew. After years of research, Franz was found. He had never talked about the incident, not even at post-war reunions.

They met in the USA at a 379th. Bomber Group reunion, together with 25 people who are alive now - all because Franz never fired his guns that day.
Research shows that Charlie Brown lived in Seattle and Franz Steigler had moved toVancouver, BC after the war. When they finally met, they discovered they had lived less than 200 miles apart for the past 50 years!


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Old 14th December 2007, 19:07
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Re: This is a true story, the two men attended a

Pilots are pilots.
They are the same type of people everywhere.
It is the politicians that put markings on aeroplanes.
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A great story PA. Thanks mate.
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Old 17th December 2007, 12:12
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I think it was 30 Dec 1943.

The B-17 landed at Seething, Norfolk, base of the 448BG (B-24s). I am not aware of any photos of the shot-up B-17. However, Bob Harper, an S-2 Intelligence Officer with the 448BG did a painting of the alleged incident, "The Gallant Foe" some years ago.

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Nice story- thank you for sharing
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I actually have a print of this scene w/Stiegler on rh side of the B-17, which he signed for me during 85 (?) Aces Reunion in Tuscon.

There is a new print of this incident that is extremely well done.
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