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Old 17th February 2008, 01:24
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Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
Gentlemen,
I recieved informations about the loss of a Bf 109 G of 2./NAGr. 1 on 15.02.1945 on or near Niedermendig a/f.

The Werk-Nr. is given with 20 523, which is incorrect or incomplete.

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Old 17th February 2008, 21:09
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Re: Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
I have 20523 as a G-6 from JG 1 that crashed. The 2./NAG 1 machine lost on the Feb date is:

Bf 109G-6, 230174, Sprünker, Uffz. Richard, 2.NAGr. 1, 14-Feb-45, Killed, hitting obstruction during Notlandung., Lw.Kdo.West, Gen. Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #12), Heumar östlich Köln, 85%
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Old 17th February 2008, 23:18
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Re: Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
Thank you very much for your reply. There should be some more losses around this date. Uffz. Pepi Lenk (4./123) was killed on 16.02.45 near Wassenach (Bf 109 G-6 230 290?), and a Lt. Lehmann bailed out of his stricken Bf 109G near Bell...

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Old 17th February 2008, 23:55
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Re: Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
A couple of others I do not know if they are of any interest 1. Bf109G Black 65 3/NAG 1 fell to AA on 11-2-45 S.W. of Nijmegan Ofhr Karl-Heinz Piper +.- 2. Bf 109G w.n. 230146 3/NAG 1 fell to Typhoons of 193 Sqd. north of Nijmegan on 14-4-45 Ltn. Rudi Metzler baled out but killed when parachute failed,

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Old 18th February 2008, 00:19
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Re: Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
Mr. Bines,
every information about this unit is of great help, so thank you very much!

A very interesting subject for me are the losses of 4.(F)/123, Stab and 2./NAGr. 1 while opererating from Niedermendig, Hadamar and Limburg - I recieved informations of names and lost a/c of this units, but nothing concrete at all.

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Old 18th February 2008, 01:05
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Re: Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
A few more:-

1/ 6-2-45 3/NAGr 1 Bf 109G-14 780400 Jagerbeschuss North of Venlo Gef.Hubert Mack missing
2/ 16-2-45 2/NAGr 1 Bf109G6 230290 Feindbschuss Ufff.Karl Lenk +
3/ 16-2-45 2/NAGr 1 Bf 109 G6's w.n.s 200282,230297 and 230826 all shown as Feindbeschuss 100% pilots uninjured,

Source LW Quatermasters list

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Old 18th February 2008, 10:59
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Re: Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
Some more 16th. Feb. seems to have been a bad day:-

1/ 16-2 2/NAGr.1 Bf 109G-6 20523 Bauchldng.inf Bedienungsfehler Fl.Pl.Niedermendig 20% ( w.n. from LW QM's list is at odds with Johns info).
2/ 16-2 2/NAGr.1 Bf109G6 205659 crashed following Feindbsschuss N/E Mayen pilot safe.
3/ 16-2 2/NAGr.1 Bf109G6 709559 crashed following Feindbeschuss south of Wittlich pilot safe.
4/ 5-3 3/NAGr.1 Bf109G6 230287 Ltn. Max Haberl missing from combat mission.

It is sometimes hard to read the details on screen but I believe these are correct,

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Old 18th February 2008, 12:59
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Re: Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
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Originally Posted by Brian Bines View Post
A few more:-

1/ 6-2-45 3/NAGr 1 Bf 109G-14 780400 Jagerbeschuss North of Venlo Gef.Hubert Mack missing
2/ 16-2-45 2/NAGr 1 Bf109G6 230290 Feindbschuss Ufff.Karl Lenk +
3/ 16-2-45 2/NAGr 1 Bf 109 G6's w.n.s 200282,230297 and 230826 all shown as Feindbeschuss 100% pilots uninjured,

Source LW Quatermasters list

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Gefr. Mack crashed near Vierlingsbeek (Netherlands) and at 16-2-45 no planes of NAGr 1 crashed in the Netherlands.
Hubert Mack was buried in a fieldgrave 150 m east of P.Gommers, east of the road Venlo-Boxmeer.
After the war his remains were transferred to Ysselsteyn in March 1950.
The total amount of NAGr 1 losses in the Netherlands were:
45-01-22 Neede
Bf 109G-6 230115
3./NAGr 1 pilot unknown

45-02-06 Twente (A/D.)
Bf 109G-5 110540
3./NAGr.1 pilot unknown

45-02-06 Vierlingsbeek
Bf 109G-14 780400
3./NAGr.1 Gfr. H.Mack

45-02-10 Lochem
Bf 109G-6 412169
3./NAGr.1 Uffz. A.Mittelmayer

45-02-11 Balgoij (across Meuse-opposite A/D Keent)
Bf 109G-6 230500
3./NAGr.1 Ofhr. K-H.Piper
All information from the losslist of the Dutch Study Group Airwar 1939-1945.

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Old 18th February 2008, 19:26
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Re: Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
Gentlemen,
I'm impressed! Thank you very much for your informations.

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Old 18th February 2008, 19:36
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Re: Bf 109 of 2./NAGr. 1, 15.02.45
Die 3./NAGr 1 war in Twenthe von 1.45 bis 3.45(?). Auch da gab es Verluste. Flogen auch mit in Bodenplatte.

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Jaap, die 230115 wurde geflogen von Ofhr. Helmut Stütz, 3./NAGr 1. Bestattet in Enschede, jetzt Ysselsteyn R-1-4.
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