Phoos 3-25 - Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

edwest · #1 25th May 2008, 23:12

Don Pearson · #2 26th May 2008, 18:40

The 109 photo looks a lot like Marseille.

Don

richardb · #3 26th May 2008, 19:06

Who could explain this photo ?

A lot of Fiat A.R.30 two seaters with "fake" german stencils

Could be for a movie in Italy ?

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=130224164751

GaraiB · #4 26th May 2008, 19:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by richardb

Who could explain this photo ?

A lot of Fiat A.R.30 two seaters with "fake" german stencils

Could be for a movie in Italy ?

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=130224164751

Hello Richardb,

It is real markings, Fiat Cr32's after Anschluss in Austria. Painted out the Austrian marking and used the German cross.
Kind regards,

GaraiB

richardb · #5 26th May 2008, 22:00

Thanks ,very interesting .

But at least the +182 is a two seats Fiat ,isn't it ?
Did Austria used A.R. 30 too ? (or two seats Cr 32 )

RT · #6 26th May 2008, 22:27

The 109 photo looks a lot like Marseille.

Don

But it's not the 14256...CH+KN not far , puzzling it's norm. the 14256 would hv to be the CH+KA...

Rémi

Jochen Prien · #7 27th May 2008, 10:10

Dear Don,
dear Rémi,

this time it really looks as if the photo shows Hans-Joachim Marseille. Yet I dare say the aircraft is still a Bf 109 F, most likely an F-4 trop. The photo was probably taken while Marseille was on his way back to North Africa after his last vacation in the summer of 1942 and shows him with a "Freidrich" that he transferred from Italy to North Africa, the a/c still wearing its Stammkennzeichen. But that of course is only a guess.

Regards

Jochen Prien

markjsheppard · #8 27th May 2008, 11:25

Hi

Any idea what the chalk writing on the canopy back armour might be saying. Seems there is also some on the fuselage as well - by the K.

Would CH+KA be 14242? Any loss listings with JG27 in north Africa for this G2?

Just a thought.

regards

Mark

Tomislav Haramincic · #9 27th May 2008, 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by markjsheppard

Hi

Any idea what the chalk writing on the canopy back armour might be saying. Seems there is also some on the fuselage as well - by the K.

Would CH+KA be 14242? Any loss listings with JG27 in north Africa for this G2?

Just a thought.

regards

Mark

Hi Mark,

WNr.14 242 had the Stkz CC+PM. I have no details for this aircraft.
The chalk writing on the head armour looks to me like 8558/??.
Bf 109F-4/trop WNr.8558 was with the 9./JG27 as I have one loss report
02.04.42 9./JG27 Fw. Walter Hillgruber, Flak über Tobruk - Notlandung, S El-Adem - 20% (F-4/trop)

regards,
Tomislav

RT · #10 27th May 2008, 12:50

14242 is CC+PM, last of the serie is 14255 CC+PZ, but the next one 14256 is quoted as CH+KN...., it would be great to start with CH+KA like the picture...

rémi