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Old 29th January 2009, 17:36
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Me 109 E-4 B ????

Hello!
I have a loss, where it says that it was a Me 109 E4 B.
It was a white 8 and Wnr. 3911

The pilot was an Uffz. S Helmberger and was missing in action on the 12. March 1941 and belonged to II./JG 54

What does "B" stand for?
Is the mission known today?

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Old 29th January 2009, 18:01
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Re: Me 109 E-4 B ????

"B" stands for Bomb or bomb carrier. 109s were equipped to carry bombs in late 1940, and for the a/c that had not originally been built to carry this equipment, the suffix 'B' was added.

I glanced at John Foreman's "1941 - The turning point, part 1" but didn't notice your a/c for 12 March 1941.
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Old 29th January 2009, 18:20
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Re: Me 109 E-4 B ????

Thank You for a quick response!!
I have this loss from , I believe it is called Gen.St Q something....
and then a death card, where it states....."since the 12. of March 1941 missed north of Cherbourg in Ärmelkanal"
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Old 29th January 2009, 20:37
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Re: Me 109 E-4 B ????

Hello Christian,

The Bf 109E with the WNr.3911 was originaly build as an E-1 by Arado Warnemünde around November 1940. Apparently some time later, it was upgraded to E-4/B standard.
In Prien's JFV series the loss is recorded as follows
Bf 109E-4/B WNr.3911 12.03.41 4./JG54 Uffz. Simon Heimberger (†), Flak - Absturz, über der See N Cherbourg - 100% ws.8+–

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Old 29th January 2009, 23:30
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Re: Me 109 E-4 B ????

Hi

The record from GenQu 6 Abt:

http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=113634

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Old 30th January 2009, 01:43
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Re: Me 109 E-4 B ????

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"B" stands for Bomb or bomb carrier. 109s were equipped to carry bombs in late 1940, and for the a/c that had not originally been built to carry this equipment, the suffix 'B' was added.

I glanced at John Foreman's "1941 - The turning point, part 1" but didn't notice your a/c for 12 March 1941.
George,

3./Erpr. Gr. 210 had Bf 109 E-4/Bs from the beginning of July 1940...
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Old 30th January 2009, 02:37
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3./Erpr. Gr. 210 had Bf 109 E-4/Bs from the beginning of July 1940...
Thanks, John.
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Old 30th January 2009, 04:12
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Did these E-4/Bs use C3 fuel?
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Re: Me 109 E-4 B ????

Hello all!
Thank you very much for these highly valued informations!!
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Re: Me 109 E-4 B ????

The "B" modification included the ETC but not the ability to carry droptanks which appeared with the E-7.
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