KG51 losses on 23 August 1942.

[Nikita Egorov]

Gentelman,

Who can help with losses of KG51 on this date, if there were any?

TIA

[Brian Bines]

Looking on Luft. Qm. List between 23rd Aug to 1st Sept. all I could find was 1. 21-8 Ju88A4 I/KG51 w.n. 6691 90% damaged in landing accident at Fl.PL Tasinakja crew safe. 2. 29-8 Ju88A4 10/KG51 w.n 1308 crashed following technical trouble at Fl.Pl. Bobruisk crew of Ofw. Jagusch killed. Both these were shown as being on non-operational 'H' flights.

[steve sheridan]

Brian, did you see my link regarding possible identity of Klischat's a/c on the Ebay photo? on my earlier thread.
If its possible to blow up the area where the W.Nr is positioned, i beleive this is W.Nr 6635 and thus 9K+HK.

Best regs,
Steve.

[Brian Bines]

Steve I had not spotted this before so thanks,

Brian

[Nikita Egorov]

Originally Posted by Brian Bines

Looking on Luft. Qm. List between 23rd Aug to 1st Sept. all I could find was 1. 21-8 Ju88A4 I/KG51 w.n. 6691 90% damaged in landing accident at Fl.PL Tasinakja crew safe. 2. 29-8 Ju88A4 10/KG51 w.n 1308 crashed following technical trouble at Fl.Pl. Bobruisk crew of Ofw. Jagusch killed. Both these were shown as being on non-operational 'H' flights.

Dear Brian,

Thank you for this!
However, I tried to check unreliable info that Hpt. Ernst von Bibra c-r III/KG51 lost his plane on this date after Flak damage and make emergency landing in Tazinskaja (Stalingrad area).

[Reiner]

Hi Nikita!

Wolfgang Dierich: "Kampfgeschwader 51 Edelweiss", page 187 --23.8.1942-Ju 88A-4, WNr. 5502- 9K+AA , Major Ernst Frhr. von Bibra , Stab III. KG 51. Notlandung due to Flak near river Tschir. 2 crew WIA. Oblt. Poppenburg landed 9K+AD and picked up Bibra and crew.
I have the NVM Nr.54 -III./K.G.51 from 23.8.-28.8.1942. Here stand:
"Pl.Q.3069, Target-trains near Frolow. Ogefr.Günter Heyse und Ogefr.Walter Repinski WIA. Both from 8./K.G.51 came to Kriegslazarett Stalino."

Rene

[Nikita Egorov]

Dear Rene,

Thank you very much for this.

Who can explain why this loss is not registered in GQ loss returns, judging by what Brian has written above?

TIA

[Brian Bines]

Nikita and Rene,

Following the reply by Rene I looked on the next reel and the incident is on the report dated 19-9-42 ;- III/KG51 Pl.Qu.3135 Flakbeschuss Ju88A4 w.n. 5502 15% with B. Ogef Gunther Heyse and Bf Ogef. Walter Repinski both wounded.
The KG 51 book (photo page 175 and page199) also has Ltn Winkel picking up the downed crew of Ltn Geruschke just ahead of Russian troops on 21-2-1943,

Regards

Brian Bines

[Juha]

Hello Nikita
on Holzer interrogation. One simple explanation is that Holzer simply lied to his interrogators as he should do. Or he simply played the old trick, when on is in very ackward position, one tells to his tormentors what he thinks they want to hear and so keep them happy in hope that he will get more lenient treatment.

Juha

[Nikita Egorov]

Andreas,

Sent you a PM.

Juha,

This is not that kind of case, I believe. Holzer's info was double checked in those days.

BR,
Nikita