December 16, 1943

[colbra]

Looking for specific JG 1 and JG 11 fighter pilot info as it relates to the downing of B-17 42-31086 at approx. 14:00 on Dec. 16, 1943 over the Netherlands on it's return from a bombing run to Bremen. Specifically, Pilots Wrobel, Piffer, Wiegand, Schnappauf, Kohne, Zick and Raddatz.

[Bas Maathuis]

As far as I know B-17, 42-31086 collided in mid-air with B-17, 42-37739 after being attacked by German fighters.
Got nothing on the German pilots.

Hope it helpes anyway

[udf_00]

For a start ...

LW claims lists : http://www.lesbutler.ip3.co.uk/tony/tonywood.htm

Reich & Western Front 1943. Vol IV

Less known : http://www.cieldegloire.com/mon_ciel_de_gloire.php

JG 1 1943 claims :
http://www.cieldegloire.com/jg_001a.php#victoires1943
JG 11 1943 claims ==>
http://www.cieldegloire.com/jg_011.php#victoires1943

in http://www.luftwaffe.cz/piffer.html

the 16.12.1943 claim is recorded at around 14:18, Cloppenburg-Herrenveen

in http://www.luftwaffe.cz/kohne.html

the 16.12.1943 HSS is recorded at Cloppenburg-Herrenveen

maybe these infos came from "Jagdgeschwader 1 und 11, Teil 1, 1939-43, Jochen Prien & Peter Rodeike" which is listed in the sources...