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edwest · #1 8th October 2005, 01:29

edwest · #2 8th October 2005, 02:39

More items.

Me 109
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=6215365596
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=6215364830
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=6215352753
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=6567607096

Fw 200 crew - named
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6567893239

Photo album (only first few photos show aircraft)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6215510987

Flugbuch
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=6215420019

Usual disclaimer,
Ed

Dan O'Connell · #3 8th October 2005, 10:01

The Flugbuch is kind of confusing............The first 262 flight has a Stkz of OO+F....to my knowlege, there were no 262's in the OO blocks, especially at this early date. Not having the last letter doesn't help either. The next two flights, in '26' at Lechfeld, might be 130026, which would about fit for the June dates, and at Lechfeld. It appears he was an Einflieger or with Fl.U.G. as a ferry pilot. Can any of our German friends read his name?

Andreas Brekken · #4 8th October 2005, 10:31

Hi, Dan

I think he was a pilot teacher, as his Begleiter is noted as being a "Schüler" (look at the top og the column Begleiter) in a lot of the entries.

It is also possible that he has used the 'inverted' notation that a lot of pilots have, and that the partial code of the Me 262 is '?F+OO'

(as You can see he uses the Notation '- 26' which could have been '26 + -', and '+ 13' which is most certainly '13 +')

I read his name as Querl, at least a name I have read somewhere.

Regards,
Andreas

BABIN · #5 8th October 2005, 10:57

Could somebody identify the Lancaster shown by the below item (may be 115 Sqdn ?), from the photo group Ed. list ?

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=6215470250

Thank you very much

Pierre BABIN

Dan O'Connell · #6 8th October 2005, 11:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

Hi, Dan

I think he was a pilot teacher, as his Begleiter is noted as being a "Schüler" (look at the top og the column Begleiter) in a lot of the entries.

It is also possible that he has used the 'inverted' notation that a lot of pilots have, and that the partial code of the Me 262 is '?F+OO'

(as You can see he uses the Notation '- 26' which could have been '26 + -', and '+ 13' which is most certainly '13 +')

I read his name as Querl, at least a name I have read somewhere.

Regards,
Andreas

Valid and good points Andreas, but there are no ?F+__ STKZ series for 262's either. Querl is what I saw it to be also, but wasn't sure. Thank you! As for the '26' I can only think that at that date, it could only be the last two numbers of the Werknummer. 130026 went to KG 51 at Lechfeld in July 1944. Very best, Dan

SES · #7 8th October 2005, 11:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan O'Connell

The Flugbuch is kind of confusing............The first 262 flight has a Stkz of OO+F....to my knowlege, there were no 262's in the OO blocks, especially at this early date. Not having the last letter doesn't help either. The next two flights, in '26' at Lechfeld, might be 130026, which would about fit for the June dates, and at Lechfeld. It appears he was an Einflieger or with Fl.U.G. as a ferry pilot. Can any of our German friends read his name?

I quite agree. What sort of unit would have this varried collection of aircraft. When I first scrolled down I thought that this must be a pilot in some sort of test facility. Bur 5 sorties in one day with just 20 min on the ground between sorties. Approach with caution.
bregds
SES

Dan O'Connell · #8 8th October 2005, 12:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by SES

I quite agree. What sort of unit would have this varried collection of aircraft. When I first scrolled down I thought that this must be a pilot in some sort of test facility. Bur 5 sorties in one day with just 20 min on the ground between sorties. Approach with caution.
bregds
SES

Although my experience is primarily with 262 pilots, it really was not unusual to see Einflieger making that many flights, or more, every day. Those guys really worked hard! I also noted a trend later in the war from Einflieger and ferry pilot Flugbuch, they started flying earlier in the day, and later in the day, to avoid the Allied fighters.

Richard Goyat · #9 8th October 2005, 12:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by BABIN

Could somebody identify the Lancaster shown by the below item (may be 115 Sqdn ?), from the photo group Ed. list ?

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=6215470250

Thank you very much

Pierre BABIN

Yes, Pierre.

This Lancaster was ED781 of Nr. 57 Squadron, shot down (presumably by Oblt. Walter Barte of 4./NJG 1) in the night of 24/25 June 1943 near Liège.
You'll find more information about this aircraft in Chorley's book (RAF Bomber Command Losses of the second World War - 1943, page 204), although he gives the victorious pilot as being Oblt. Wilhelm Telge of Stab II./NJG 1.

You'll also find one the photographs sold on e-Bay (but not reversed) in the Lorant/Goyat book about JG 300, page 25 of the French edition (Larivière) or 26 of the American edition (Eagle Ed.).

Richard Goyat

BABIN · #10 8th October 2005, 15:11

Hello Richard,

Thank you very much for your reply about the Lancaster. Because of its code, I guessed it crashed in my area of west of France. It was a mistake ... "tant pis pour moi".

Congratulations for you great book (with J.Y.L.) about the JG 300 ... it will be my next Christmas'gift ... my wife agrees ...

... et j'ajouterai "cher collègue" : nous travaillons en effet presque dans la même maison (le Ministère du Travail)

Pierre BABIN

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