Camouflage and subtype for 4./TrGr186 Ju87 Stukas during the PC?6

[Larry Hickey]

Hello,

As part of the Color profiles for the EOE Volumes on the Polish Campaign, I've chosen J9+AM, the a/c of Hpt. Erich Blattner, the StaKap of 4./TrGr186 for that unit's Ju87. However, I've got two questions about this a/c and others from that unit for the Polish Campaign period.

1) the aircraft looks like a Ju87B-1, but some sources suggest that these were Ju87C-0s or Ju87C-1s. Can anyone tell whether this is a "B" or a "C" model?

2) After looking at about a thousand Ju87B photos for the 1939-40 period, the camouflage on these a/c does not look like the standard 70/71 green shade, which has less contrast between the dark upper surface colors. I suspect that at least some of them were in a gray maritime camouflage color scheme during the PC, although some photos of unit aircraft from this period appear to be in the standard 70/71 colors. I'd appreciate your comments about this, and what colors these might have been, if not 70/71. Would this unit have been flying at least some a/c in a Gray two-tone maritime camouflage scheme during the PC?

Regards,

[Recceswind]

1) It is Ju 87 B-1.
2) In my opinion it is a standard RLM 70/71/65.

How do you know that both photos show J9+AM?

[Nordpol54]

Larry,

i presume that in both pictures the post war standard colour-scheme is to be seen, consisting of RLM No.s

- 61 dunkelbraun (dark brown)
- 62 grün (green)
- 63 hellgrau (light gray)

Although this kind of three-coulor splinter camouflage (Segmenttarnung) only was applied on a/c up to the year 1938 and after that had been changed, a lot of LW-birds joined in WW2-action with this pre-war camouflage.

If i am already had slipped out of my track, everyone is welcome to put me back on route...

y/f
Norbert

[Recceswind]

It is for sure not RLM 61/62/63 over 65 scheme. During the PC 4.(St)/TrGr 186 aircraft did not wear such type of camouflage (there is a good photo evidence of that).

[Nordpol54]

I really have not mentioned RLM 65 at all...
... i only presumed pre-war standard-sprayings as mentioned before.
For to add: I never have seen any colour-picture evidence that these Stukas had been camouflaged in a special way.

y/f
Norbert

[philippe1]

hello larry,
difference beteen B1 and C
B1- engine jumo 211Da
-1200hps
-prop Ju HPC III
-like the B-0 version it had a capability for carying bombs of a total weight of1000kg
-schlos is a 500XIB
-kraftstoff:max 500 liter
-armement; 2x 7,9mm MG 17 with 1000 rounds in the wings
;1x 7,9mmMG 15 at the back
-FT anlage FUG VII a ith EiV
-max flight distance 800 km


construction series;C
those were made to beinstaled on the german plane carrier "graf Zeppelin"who as constructed in Kiel in 1938 but never finished this due to other military priorities
-in the C "ceasar version" there are 2 categories
C-0
jumo Da engine
-reconversion of a B-2 ith instalation to be catapuled and also hooks so it could also land on the ship
-it had also a rejectable landing gear for emergencies to land on the water
-additional equipment for survival;inflatable boat,schwimfesten,flairbullets and extra emergency food
-extra air tanks so it could float an extra 3 days
-armement as same as a B-2(schloblaffete with schlob1000/500XIB,2ETC50
VIIIe)
C-1
jumo Da engine
-same as a C-O but had electrical folding wings that could be unfolded in 2minutes
-possibility to instal torpedos
-extra tanks for longer acciradius
-armement as like a B-2 but due to katapult armement as reduced to 500kg

excuse me for the wrong writing but i had to translate it from german language,and even i am not english speaking person
hope the difference might be of anny help,
with regards phil-mertens

[philippe1]

the B-1 had in the begin standard open exhausts but later in the production run those were modified rear-facing for greater efficiency
so your first immage is indeed an early one
cheers

[Nordpol54]

My interpretation for the RLM-Colours

Attachment 6633

y/f
Norbert

[Recceswind]

In my opinion the camouflage of the upper surfaces consists of two colours. The lower surfaces are RLM 65.

[Nordpol54]

Gents,

the point to make me feel getting ape is still the same since about 10 years or more. All interpretations of real colours to turn out of b/w-pictures are depending on whether the shots were taken on panchromatic or on orthochromatic material.
Orthochromatic films are sensitive to green and blue.
Panchromatic films are sensitive to red and black.
Within differing light-angles, more or less brightness, shades etc. it is very difficult to decide which real colour matches.
Still a challenge for software-developers to turn out a somewhat useful tool for a huge community...

y/f
Norbert