WNr.2668

[ouidjat]

Hello Gents,

A Bf 109D-1 or a Bf 109 E-7??
E-7: One loss on 2/12/1941 in IV./JG 5 (JFS 3/JGr. Drontheim) flown by Uffz. Heinrich Niehaus. 100%.
or D-1: One loss on 11/9/1942 in JFS 5 near Treux, France. 20%. (Les pertes de jour de la chasse allemande en France, 1942)
1/ one of these losses is wrong.
2/ two links in TOCH:
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...2668#post17111 where Remi is writing "2668 to 2696 D/E mixed"
and
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...t=2668#post797
Where Don Pearson is writing "The second Bf 109 has appeared before in a series of photos taken from the other side. These photos clearly showed the werknummer as 2668."

Can we have a scan of the said photo please?
What's the "good" loss?

Thanks for help.

Franck.

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi.

I have this as built by Arado Warnemünde (manufacturers code hkz) Bf 109E-1

Later converted to E-7 standard at Erla Werk VII, as shown in their inventory and work lists.

I thus suspect the entry by JFS 5 to be erronous

Surrounding WNr also reported as E-1 and E-7 after refurbishing

Regards,
Andreas B

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

Later converted to E-7 standard at Erla Werk VII, as shown in their inventory and work lists.

Dear Andreas,

what's the title of the document where this is reported? I had found it in August 1941 as E-7 but without any information about an conversion.

Best regards
Rasmussen

[Seaplanes]

From repair reports 1939/1940, I have found the following W.Nos. all listed as Bf 109D-1 aircraft:
2607, 2618, 2619, 2667, 2673, 2675, 2678, 2679, 2686, 2690, 2697, 2701, 2707, 2712, 2716, 2724.
Unfortunately, the lists does not say who built these aircraft.

[Seaplanes]

I actually found W.Nr. 2668 listed as a Bf 109D-1 received for repair at Amme-Luther-Seck GmbH, Wien-Atzgersdorf, on 02.07.1940. The aircraft spent 76 days here for a 22% repair of damage.

[ouidjat]

Thanks all of You,

Thought the debate was over but seems it's not!
Does somebody have a scan of the picture Don Pearson talked about?

Regards, Franck.

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by Seaplanes

From repair reports 1939/1940, I have found the following W.Nos. all listed as Bf 109D-1 aircraft:
2607, 2618, 2619, 2667, 2673, 2675, 2678, 2679, 2686, 2690, 2697, 2701, 2707, 2712, 2716, 2724.
Unfortunately, the lists does not say who built these aircraft.

That's funny --- for example I have the W.Nr.2690 as E-1 on repair with an 17% damage in Leipzig in May 1940 and the same machine as D-1 on repair in Oschersleben in August 1939.

The W.Nr.2678 was regarding lists from Industriewerk Heiligenbeil an E-1.

Regards
Rasmussen

[Falcon]

Rasmussen, I remember Christian K.'s voice. He was telling me about a crossover of WNr. blocks in this area with two Bf 109 manufacturer.

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by Falcon

Rasmussen, I remember Christian K.'s voice.

You are correct ... now i remember me too. So could be correct both loss reports, hmmm ...

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, all.

Very interesting discussion, and until now no conclusion in my opinion... but referring to Rasmussens comment on 2690... I wonder if we have not a intermingled series as mentioned by RT, but rather overlapping series from two manufacturers.

Will have to dig into the references again, as the info I referred to was taken from my notes from archival material.

Regards,
Andreas B