LG 1 on 26-12-44

[Brian Bines]

From Nick's ghostbombers updates and AD(I)K reports I have some details of LG 1 losses this night any help filling in the gaps appreciated:-

1. Crew listing for L1+AB Hpt Panneborg

2. crew listing for L1+EH Ofhr Lewer

3. Werk nummer for L1+CH of Ltn Walter Schimdt the K report gives his a/c as a Ju88 A-4

4. First names of Ginsburg, Knecht and Schuster from the crew of Ltn Heinrich Schmidt and a/c werk nummer and code if known ( K report gives L1+?N). While Schimdt became a POW did his crew return to unit after baling out ?

One final question is there a known Ju87 loss to link to a claim by S/L Green and F/L Oxby of 219 Sqd. who claimed one south of Huy on 26/27th (MosquitPanik page 225),

Thanks

Brian Bines

[edNorth]

1. 330976 Ju 88 S-3 L1+AB I/LG 1 (Lw.Kdo.West) OPS (F) missing (100%) unk location (Namur) [Namur-Flawille marshalling rail yards, night of 26/27.] 27.12.1944 (Kommandeur F Hptm. Rüdiger Panneborg, B Uffz. Klaus Kleinecke, BF Uffz. Eduard Scharrer and BS Uffz. Karl Esders missing) [rep as 330978 in other sources]

2. 330807 Ju 88 S-3 L1+EH I/LG 1 (Lw.Kdo.West) OPS (F) damaged by night-fighter and crashed (100%) west of Vith 27.12.1944 (F Ofhr. Hans Lewak and BF Uffz. Mathias Bauer missing, BS Uffz. Max Linke injured, B uninjured)

3. not found
4. not found

[Brian Bines]

Thanks very much Ed a great help,

Brian Bines

[RT]

1/ 330978 thru other sources ! Nick refers to 330978, GQM nd NVM refer to 330976, could Nick tell us where he found 330978 ,,??

2/B was Foller herbert Ltn,

3/331287 is given by books , but most probably it hv to be 331207 given by NVM

4/Ginsberg sieghard fw b x FSA verm, auf eig, linie geland,-hat überlebt den Krieg 58280/59-281119-Silberg
Knecht gerhard uffz bf x FSA verm, auf eig, linie geland,gerichtl, T erklärt 62566/227-180821-Reutlingen
Schmidt heinrich ltn f kg FSA festgenom, am 28,dez, Gold, fr,fl,sp, DK früher 3,KG55 Fair sec, very good 67017/24-090311-Rosen/Besen Ruhr
Schuster heinrich fw bm t FSA verm, auf eig, linie geland, 69873/132-181219-Grossquerbitsch Oscha,,

That night LG1 seems to hv sustain at least 6 losses maybe 7 ...

Rémi

[ClinA-78]

1. Panneborg's Ju 88 S-3 crashed in Bois de Dave, South of Namur.

[Brian Bines]

Remi and ClinA-78 thanks to you both for the info. is the Panneborg crew still posted as missing,

Regards

Brian Bines

[Jim P.]

Here's what I have. Ed, I'd be curious as to the other source which gives WNr. 330978 for Pannenborg's machine since WNr. 330976 is reported for his and the Heinrich Schmidt loss. That might solve the dup WNr. issue.

26-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330705, Jahn, Uffz. Gerhard, , LG 1, I., 2., , L1+KK, , , KIA due to Flak. Bs also KIA, B & Bf MIA. Sortie to Namur-Huy area., B Ogefr. Kurt Hesse, Bf Fw. Georg Kurt & Bs Uffz. Josef Loidl, 27-Dec-44, Bahnhof Namur per loss., Lw.Kdo.West, Gen.Qu.6.Abt.-BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/766, p.64; Taghon, LG 1, II, p.527, , Raum Marneffe, 100%, F
26-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330807, Leweck, Ofhr. Hans, , LG 1, I., 1., , L1+EH, , , MIA due to Luftkampf with enemy nightfighter. Bf MIA, Bs WIA. Sortie to Namur-Huy area., Bf Uffz. Mathias Bauer & Bs Uffz. Max Linke, 27-Dec-44 per loss., Lw.Kdo.West, Gen.Qu.6.Abt.-BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/766, p.65; Taghon, LG 1, II, p.527, , westlich St. Vith, 100%, F
26-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330808, Bäcker, Uffz. Theodor, , LG 1, I., 2., , L1+DK, , , Crew killed in crash during take-off for sortie to Namur-Huy area., B Uffz. Arthur Wese, Bf Uffz. Reinhard Oswald & Bs Uffz. Otto Brandl, , Lw.Kdo.West, Taghon, LG 1, II, p.527, , Fl.Pl. Varel, 100%, F
26-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330932, Dreumel, Uffz. Heinz van, , LG 1, II., 4., , , , , Injured in crash during take-off for sortie to Namur-Huy area. Bf killed, Bs also injured., Bf Uffz. Erich Huhn & Bs Ogefr. Karl Schmidt,, Lw.Kdo.West, Taghon, LG 1, II, p.527, , Fl.Pl. Ahlhorn, 100%, F
26-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330976, Pannenborg, Hptm. Rüdiger, , LG 1, I., Stab I., , L1+AB, , , Gr.Kdr. KIA with crew due to Flak. Sortie to Namur-Huy area., B FhjUffz. Klaus Kleinecke, Bf Uffz. Eduard Scharrer & Bs Uffz. Karl Esders, A dup. 27-Dec-44 per loss., Lw.Kdo.West, Gen.Qu.6.Abt.-BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/766, p.65; Taghon, LG 1, II, p.527, , Maasbrücke Namur, 100%, F
26-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 330976, Schmidt, Ltn. Heinrich, , LG 1, II., 5., , , , , POW due to Flak. Rest of crew MIA. Sortie to Namur-Huy area., B FW. Sieghard Ginsberg, Bf Uffz. Gerhard Knecht & Bs Fw. Heinrich Schuster, A dup., Lw.Kdo.West, Taghon, LG 1, II, p.527, , Maasbrücke Namur, 100%, F
26-Dec-44, , Ju 88S-3, 331287, Schmidt, Ltn. Walter, , LG 1, I., 1., , L1+GH, , , MIA due to Flak. Rest of crew POW. Sortie to Namur-Huy area., B Ogefr. Eberhardt Wächter, Bf Ogefr. Heinz Maslowski & Bs Gefr. Karl Dietzhoff, , Lw.Kdo.West, Taghon, LG 1, II, p.527, , südlich Lüttich, 100%, F

[edNorth]

Jim, Have some of 1944 stuff undone & unrececked (may have missed out on two there), but some of my "info" were put into a crude list, first about 17 years ago - before I really began writing/researching the Ju 88 as a whole - In pre-internet days, everybody was copying from others (only few doing new research) - So might come from some odd book or magazine. Taghons book for this period, for example I have not compared to other sources (such as K reports, Ultra or GQM/NVM) but RT post (abowe) mentions Nick (Beale?) if so then might be mentioned in Ghost-Bombers and/or Ultra?

[ClinA-78]

I am afraid but I cannot confirm if Panneborg crew is still missing; perhaps, as his 'dog-tag' was found during a dig, along with little bits of aircraft and ... a 50 kg bomb.

Interesting to explore others crashes as some were lost in Namur area.

[RT]

Heinrich Schlidt plane, was 330887 refering to ADi nd prob. to NVM , the book on the LG1 gives 330976

Rémi