LW loss on 12.10.1944 Ungarn

[Thomas H]

Hi all,

Looking for detail surrounding the loss of a LW plane (probably KG53) on 12.10.1944 in Zamoly Ungarn.

Thomas

[Matti Salonen]

Possibly this, although different location (typo?):
1944-10-12, 14./KG 27, He 111H-16/R1, 161884, 1G+RY, Zamboly, Jägerbeschuß. Bruch ? %.
Flugzeugführer Ofw Ulziffer, Johann, +
Beobachter Fw Szech, Heinrich, +
Bordfunker Fw Schindler, Ernst, +
Bordwart Fw Boewer, Hans, +

Matti

[Csaba B. Stenge]

That's a definitive typo, place is Zámoly. The particular aircraft was probably Art Fiedler's seventh air victory (reported at Csákvár), although I don't have the very exact locations of the claims from personal encounter reports (there were few other He 111 claims too by Mustangs and other types as well).

[Thomas H]

Thanks Matti!

That is the one I was looking for. Szech (DKiG) use to be a member of I/KG53.

@ Csaba B. Stenge.

This He111 was supposedly attacked by 4 American fighters.

Regards, Thomas

[Dénes Bernád]

Originally Posted by Thomas H

Looking for detail surrounding the loss of a LW plane (probably KG53) on 12.10.1944 in Zamoly Ungarn.

This one could also have been the victim of 2nd Lt. Jervis V. V. Heimbach of 319th F.S. who claimed a He 111 that day at 14:20 some 32 km W of Budapest, which is about correct for the location of Zámoly.

[Csaba B. Stenge]

In straight line, Zámoly is approx 50 km W, SW from Budapest today. In 1944, the distance was higher, since the external districts in western Budapest were much smaller. A claim from 1944 as 32 km West from Budapest is eastern, than Csákvár.

[Matti Salonen]

Also the following were shot down:
1944-10-12, 14./KG 27, He 111H-16/R1, 161925, 1G+PY, 6 km nördlich Balatonfüred, Jägerbeschuß. Bruch ? %.
1944-10-12, 14./KG 27, He 111H-16/R1, 162373, 1G+OY, Rackeve, Jägerbeschuß um 14.30 Uhr. Bruch ? %.

Matti

[Csaba B. Stenge]

First is either the success of one of the three pilots of 332nd FG (1 Lt William W Green Jr., Cpt. Wendell O. Pruitt and 1 Lt. Luther H. Smith Jr. each claimed a He 111 near Lake Balaton) or the success of Lt. Hudson from 4th FS/52nd FG who claimed a damaged He 111 in this area or as commonly happened, the same aircraft was attacked and claimed repeatedly by different pilots.

[Karsten]

Hi together.

161 925 Ferry-Flight from Budapest-Ferehengy
lost by american fighters 100%
BO Fw. Jan Ufen WIA 01.02.1917

162 373
ferry-flight from Steinamanger to Budapest-Ferehengy
lost by american fighters at Rackeve 100%

FF Ofw. Johann Ladinig 19.12.1919 KIA
BO Uffz. Hosrt Laube 22.07.1921 KIA
BF Fw. Emil Pfeil 10.10.1920 KIA
BM Fw. Eberhard Schieber 12.07.1921 WIA but died 12.11 in hospital

Regards Rüdiger