Source of Luftwaffe 1811 wins of 22.06.1941

[Mirek Wawrzynski]

From what source it comes from the size of 1811 Luftwaffe wins of June 22, 1941?

In the book CAJUS BEKKER, ANGRIFFSHÖHE 4000, in 1964 this figure is given. But unfortunately he did not give his source for this information.

1,811 victories, including 322 in the air and next 1489 on the ground.

Regards,
mw

[NagaSadow]

Hello,

The special Wehrmachtbericht of 29.06. reported both numbers:
322 losses in the air due to Fighters and Flak and 1.811 total Soviet losses until the evening of the 22nd. 2.582 total losses until the evening of the 23rd and 4.107 destroyed planes between 22nd and 27th June.

Regards

[Mirek Wawrzynski]

Great thanks, for this info. I expected that it was war data, but think about Adler or similar mass public magazine, and a litttle bit later not so soon, :-)

Anyway 322 victories claimes by flak and jager, had "forgotten" Rumanian input to the success of this days. Rumanina had claimed about next 100 victories /destroyed on the ground on 22.06.41 plus next 8 air victories.

Regards
mw

[oquaig]

In addition to Mirek's question, I might also ask about Herrman Goering's 'investigation of the uftwaffe's initial claims for 22 June. When was the investigation completed, on what date ?

[Mirek Wawrzynski]

H

errman Goering's 'investigation of the uftwaffe's initial claims for 22 June.

It is interested if it was in fact?

Some airfields were captured a few days later after 22.06.41
Information was just edited on 29.06.41.

There were about 50-70 such places near border, up to 100 km.

Wilno was captured on 24.06.41, Riga, Mitava, Dwinsk later.

[NagaSadow]

In case someone is interested in those early Eastern front numbers, the Wehrmachtsberichte contain scores of them:

30.06.
280 total, 216 in aerial combat
110 by J.G. 51 (Mölders)
80 out of 100~ by J.G. 51 at Minsk/Bobrujsk
65 by J.G. 54 (Trautloff)
40 out of 40 by J.G. 54 at Dünaburg

01.07.
4725 total,
1392 in aerial combat,
112 by Flak and
3221 on the ground
since 22.06.

04.07.
"An investigation of the captured Soviet airfields undertaken by specially ordered officers showed that the number of planes destroyed on the ground on 22nd June is 20-25% higher than previously estimated by aerial observation."

05.07.
281 total
98 in aerial combat and
183 on the ground

06.07.
204 total
160 in aerial combat,
41 on the ground and
3 by minesweepers

10.07.
6233 total since 22.06.

06.08. (special report)
771 total by H.Gr. Nord
980 total by H.Gr. Süd
1089 total by H.Gr. Mitte
9082 total between 22.06. and 11.07.

[Larry deZeng]

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[NagaSadow]

Thank you,

longtime lurker, since my interest is primarily in tanks. ;-)

[oquaig]

Well, what I am suspecting is that they counted aircraft on all the airfields they captured during the period of their investigation, not just the ones they attacked on 22 June.

[oquaig]

Originally Posted by Mirek Wawrzynski

From what source it comes from the size of 1811 Luftwaffe wins of June 22, 1941?

In the book CAJUS BEKKER, ANGRIFFSHÖHE 4000, in 1964 this figure is given. But unfortunately he did not give his source for this information.

1,811 victories, including 322 in the air and next 1489 on the ground.

Regards,
mw

Just by chance I came across an answer for you question, this comes from Horst Boog's article in the "Das Deutsche Reich und das Zweite Weltkrieg" (english edition) page 764 note 750: "On Soviet Losses cf. situation reports, Ob.d.L./Fu.Stab Ic, Nos. 654-661 24 June-1 July 1941, BA-MA RL 2 III/713".

Hope this answers your question
Oquaig