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Mosquito's to Oberhausen 21-1-1944 ?
Hello,
Who has details of the few Mosquito's sent to Oberhausen on the evening of 21th January 1944 ? Any info about the squadron(s) involved would be much appreciated. Many thanks in advance! Marcel Hogenhuis / Venlo
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Re: Mosquito's to Oberhausen 21-1-1944 ?
I show 8 Mosquitos from 105 Squadron detailed to bomb the Gutehoffnungshutte AG in Oberhausen. They took off from 19:21 to 20:10 and returned from 22:08 to 22:48. Four bombed the target successfully while the other four bombed targets of last resort in the Duisburg, Dusseldorf & Wesel areas.
Form B No.583 confirms that 105 Squadron was the only Squadron sent to this target which was shown in the Form B as GF2252, Zero hour was 21:00 and their task was precision bombing using Oboe. All aircraft carried 4 x 500 lb bombs. The weather was clear over the target and the searchlights were very effective. Flak however was only moderate and inaccurate for height. Dave Wallace Last edited by Dave Wallace; 12th April 2013 at 19:45. Reason: adding information |
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Re: Mosquito's to Oberhausen 21-1-1944 ?
Hi Dave,
Does the report specify why 50% of the force failed to bomb the primary? Since it was intended to use Oboe weather cannot be a factor. Did Oboe suffer (an apparent) failure? bregds SES |
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Re: Mosquito's to Oberhausen 21-1-1944 ?
Dear Dave,
Thank you very much for this most appreciated and helpful answer. Especially the start and landing times will be a great assistence for further research! If you should have a page of the ORB with the identities of those Mossies, could you let me know if a scan is possible? Good night ! Marcel Hogenhuis
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Re: Mosquito's to Oberhausen 21-1-1944 ?
Hi SES
These failures were most likely what they referred to as P.D. Failures (P.D. means Precision Device, referring to the Oboe equipment). That simply meant that they could not get a lock on the two Oboe ground stations. It could have been a problem with the equipment in the aircraft. The aircraft the Oboe squadrons were using at this point were unpressurized Mark IXs and most attacks in the Ruhr were done from 28,000 to 34,000 feet and in that high altitude, high vibration environment the Oboe equipment using vacuum tubes often failed, which they planned for. It also could have been a problem with either of the Oboe ground stations as well, they were using the stations at Trimmingham and Hawkshill that night. 105 also sent 5 aircraft out to Rheinhausen and only one was successful using the same ground stations. 109 made a number of attacks that same night, used the same ground stations and only one of eleven sorties had a PD failure. Things got better once they had the pressurized Mark XVIs. Dave |
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Re: Mosquito's to Oberhausen 21-1-1944 ?
Hi Marcel,
I expect to have that ORB part in a couple of weeks. If Dave can't supply the pages, I can. Regards, Hans |
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Re: Mosquito's to Oberhausen 21-1-1944 ?
Hi Dave,
Thanks a lot. I suspected that much. But I know from other accounts (allied and German) that the crews reported equipment failure, when in fact they had be subjected to jamming. Please see: http://www.gyges.dk/jamming_service%20Oboe.htm bregds SES |
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Re: Mosquito's to Oberhausen 21-1-1944 ?
Hello Hans, hello Dave
Hans: many thanks for your kind offer (and help!). Dave: the reason for asking the info about Oberhausen raid - but I realize that I should ask the same question for Rheinhausen as well - is that the Dutch town of Wageningen was quite surprisingly hit by two middle heavy bombs on the evening of 21th January 1944. These were dropped approx. 20.30 hours by "a low level flying aircraft, coming from a southeast direction and flying on a northwest course". The combination of the time, the description of the explosives and the time of impact fits quite well to the few Mossies that were sent out to Oberhausen and nearby Rheinhausen. So, if I may summarize: 105 and 109 Sqdn. sent the Mossies to Oberhausen and Rheinhausen and whether by jamming or failure, not every Mosquito was able to bomb the main targets? All the best, Marcel
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Re: Mosquito's to Oberhausen 21-1-1944 ?
Hi Dave,
Yes I do recall some Exchanges. It is my understanding that Oboe II was jammed for sure, I'm uncertain about Oboe III. Certainly the Germans built a jammer intended to be employed against it. bregds SES |
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Re: Mosquito's to Oberhausen 21-1-1944 ?
I don't know how many channels they could jam at one time. In the earlier days I believe they were only operating on one or two Oboe channels. I have some D-Day information that shows they were using 5 different channels simultaneously on a single target, a mix of Mk.I & Mk.II Oboe. That meant there were 10 ground stations assigned to track the 5 Mosquitos who were making their target runs at the same time. If the Germans could only jam a single channel at a time then it would be an effective solution to use more channels on any op to improve the results. PD failures were probably happening 25-30% of the time from what I can see in the ORBs. The more important the target, the more aircraft they assigned to ensure that some got through to mark or bomb.
Any ideas on how many channels they could jam at one time? |
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