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Old 24th September 2013, 17:04
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Lightbulb List of StaKa's of Hs129 Staffeln - finished!

Hallo gentlmen!

As promissed.

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Pz.Jg.Kdo Weiss
01.02.43 - 01.04.43 Obstlt. Otto Weiss. transferred to Stab der Jagdflieger
Führer der Panzerjäger-Staffeln
01.04.43 - 18.10.43 Maj Bruno Meyer. Staffel renamed Stab IV.(Pz)/SG 9
Stab IV.(Pz)/SG 9
18.10.43 - 01.10.44 Maj Bruno Meyer. Transferred to Stab der Jagdflieger
01.10.44 - 08.05.45 Maj Erich Handschke war ended

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4./Schl.G 1
01.02.42 - 08.07.42 Hptm. Bruno Meyer. appt Staka 3./Erg.Zerstörer-Gr.
08.07.42 - 05.01.43 Oblt. Eduard Kent KIA while demonstrating a canon attack on a practice target vic Tatsinskaya, his tail having struck the tank’s turret.
06.01.43 - 20.01.43 Hptm. Dietrich Gerhardt. MIA – in Hs 129 B-2 hit by AA fire vic Arpachin/35 km E of Rostov.
4.(Pz)/Schl.G 1
20.01.43 - 18.10.43 Oblt. Georg "Drops" Dornemann. Staffel renamed 10.(Pz)/SG 9
10.(Pz)/SG 9
18.10.43 - 13.12.43 Oblt. Georg "Drops" Dornemann. WIA by return fire and crashed at Pl.Qu. 2968.
13.12.43 - 03.01.44 Lt. Walther Krause. i.V.
04.01.44 - 11.03.44 Oblt. Hans-Werner Wenzel. injured during Il-2 bomb attack on airfield
11.03.44 - 13.03.44 Lt. Walther Krause. i.V.
13.03.44 - 16.07.44 Hptm. Rudolf-Heinz Albert Ruffer. KIA – in Hs 129 B-2/R2 hit by AA fire while attacking a Russian tank spearhead north-east of Lvov, hit over the Radtsiekhov- Stayanov rail line.
16.07.44 - 22.07.44 Oblt. Hans-Werner Wenzel. KIA - in Hs 129 B-2 was shot down by AA fire
22.07.44 - 08.05.45 Oblt. Gebhard Weber. war ended

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6./Schl.G 1
13.01.42 - ?? NN (Oblt Hans Ritter ? tfd to Erg.Schl.Gr.)
?? - ?? NN Staffel renamed 8.(Pz)/Schl.G 1
8.(Pz)/Schl.G 1
20.01.43 - 08.04.43 NN
08.04.43 - 18.10.43 Oblt. Rudolf-Heinz Albert Ruffer. Staffel renamed 11.(Pz)/SG 9
11.(Pz)/SG 9
18.10.43 - 16.11.43 Oblt./Hptm Rudolf-Heinz Albert Ruffer. appt Staka 14.(Pz.)/SG9
16.11.43 - 01.01.44 Hptm Herbert Eggers. Staffel renamed Erp.Kdo. 26
Erp.Kdo. 26
01.01.44 - 17.01.45 Hptm Herbert Eggers. KIA ?
17.01.45 - 08.05.45 Hptm. Franz Oswald. war ended

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4.(Pz/Schl.G 2
30.09.42 - 01.04.43 Hptm. Bruno Meyer. appt Führer der Panzerjägerstaffeln
01.04.43 - 19.07.43 Maj. Paul Matuschek. KIA – in Hs 129 B-2 accidentally flew into a Russian T-34 tank while attacking it and others along a railway section in the Kursk salient in Pl.Qu. 54847.
19.07.43 - 18.10.43 Lt. Erhard Fuchs. Staffel renamed 12.(Pz)/SG 9
12.(Pz)/SG 9
18.10.43 - 08.01.44 Lt. Erhard Fuchs. KIA - in Hs 129 B collided with another Hs 129 during combat mission
09.01.44 - 12.03.44 Oblt./Hptm. Hans-Günther Marufka. WIA following an energency landing at Focşani-South. 11.06.44 killed by American bombs hitting the hospital in which he was recuperating.
12.03.44 - 07.01.45 Oblt. Lehmann. Staffel renamed 1.(Pz)/SG9
1.(Pz)/SG9
07.01.45 - 08.05.45 Oblt. Lehmann. war ended

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5./Schl.G 1
13.01.42 15.09.42 Oblt. Siegfried Steinhoff. transferred to ?
15.09.42 20.01.43 Lt. Franz Oswald. Staffel renamed 8.(Pz/Schl.G 2
8.(Pz/Schl.G 2
20.01.43 18.10.43 Lt./Oblt. Franz Oswald Staffel renamed 13.(Pz)/SG 9
13.(Pz)/SG 9
18.10.43 17.01.45 Oblt./Hptm. Franz Oswald. transferred to Erp.Kdo. 26
17.01.45 22.01.45 Oblt. Bartels. Staffel began to convert to Fw190F

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13.(Pz)/JG51
01.07.42 01.01.43 Oblt Herbert Eggers. transferred to ?(Rechlin?)
01.01.43 15.10.43 Lt. / Oblt. Günther Jolas. appt Staka 6./SG 101
15.10.44 18.10.43 Lt. / Oblt. Hans Jentsch. Staffel renamed 14.(Pz)/SG 9
14.(Pz)/SG 9
18.10.43 - 26.10.43 Oblt. Hans Jentsch. KIA - Hs 129 B-2 took a direct AA hit, crashed NW of Wesseloye
26.10.43 - 01.11.43 Oblt. Friedrich-Wilhelm Quilitzsch. KIA – in Hs 129 B-2 crashed during an attack on tanks 5 km E of Malaya-Mayachka
01.11.43 - 15.11.43 Lt. Wilhelm Abt. KIA in his Hs 129 in the Alexandria-Melitopol area
16.11.43 - 01.12.43 Hptm. Rudolf-Heinz Albert Ruffer. i.V.
01.12.43 - 08.05.45 Hans-Hermann "Papa" Steinkamp. war ended
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Old 24th September 2013, 18:35
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Re: List of StaKa's of Hs129 Staffeln - finished!

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Old 24th September 2013, 23:48
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Re: List of StaKa's of Hs129 Staffeln - finished!

Unfortunately, not quite. Martin Pegg has asked me to post up a correction on his behalf as he is not a TOCH member. He would wish to make members aware that the surname of Hans-Günther Marufka should be spelt Marufke. This was an error in his original Classic book which was pointed out to him by Franz Oswald and for which he acknowledges full responsibility. Unfortunately, from Martin's perspective, this error has been subsequently compounded by authors simply using his work uncredited and not undertaking their own original research. This is not a slight at Evgeny who has credited Martin in his posting.
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Old 25th September 2013, 01:48
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Re: List of StaKa's of Hs129 Staffeln - finished!

Hi Steve,

We sure hope your brickbat isn't being hurled in our direction. We have the name spelled correctly and we did acknowledge Martin's book in our bibliography in our Introduction.


Pegg, Martin.
Hs 129 Panzerjäger! (Burgess Hill (West Sussex): Classic Publications, 1997). ISBN: 0-9526867-16

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Old 25th September 2013, 10:07
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Larry - Absolutely not. The originality of the efforts of yourself and Doug is plain for all to see and I'm certainly looking forward to the publication of your airfield database when it's ready.

Martin's frustration is with certain publications which have simply plaigarised his work and brought nothing new to the table in terms of original research, particularly when an inadvertent error is simply repeated across publications.
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Old 25th September 2013, 14:07
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Martin's frustration is with certain publications which have simply plaigarised his work and brought nothing new to the table in terms of original research, particularly when an inadvertent error is simply repeated across publications.
Yes, we certainly agree, Steve. There are numerous serial- and one-off plagiarizers out there who do not even know how to spell ARCHIVE much less ever having been in one or having dealt with one. These charlatans are a disgrace and they should be tracked down and punished. However, there is a flip-side to this coin. The international copyright laws do allow up to 10% of a book's content to come from another published source, provided it is spread out throughout the book and not in clumps. Each use must also be identified and credited in footnotes or source notes. Unfortunately, as you, Martin and others know, certain countries do not acknowledge the international copyright conventions and refuse to prosecute violators. Regretable, but true.

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Totally agree and equally it takes time and effort. I have to admit I was very impressed when Frank Marshall took a stand on behalf of his Bf 109T research a couple of years back.
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Totally agree and equally it takes time and effort. I have to admit I was very impressed when Frank Marshall took a stand on behalf of his Bf 109T research a couple of years back.
I heard about that but I don't know the details. I hope he won his case!

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Frank made a posting here: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=14892

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Ah yes, Steve. I remember the thread now. It's been a while. F.M. did in fact win and the culprit was Kagero. I am surprised he got a lawyer to handle it, so I am assuming it was a strongly worded letter to the publisher that was quickly settled without protracted negotiations or the involvement of the courts. Attorneys do not like plagiarism cases because they rarely are won and when they are the award is usually not large enough to pay the plaintiff and attorney an acceptable sum, unless the book sold in millions of copies, that is. Anyway, two thumbs up for F.M. He was very courageous to go after the defendant and win a victory for all non-fiction authors.

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