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Research info on Ml.Lt.Lynikov
Searching events details on Ml.Lt.Lynikov Igor Dimitrevitch shot down by German fighters on August 28,1944 captured at Kielce near unit's airfield Jeshuv ( East Krakow) Nova Huta ,Poland .Which Luftwaffe units were active on this area and who claimed such victory.
2nd Lt. Lynikov was with 122 IAP , 1st Ukr.Front and was flying at that time a YAK-9 series. According Luftwaffe Stalag Luft II Lodj , Poland where was registered under Ljnikow Alexei Dimitrevitch. Last edited by researcher111; 8th January 2014 at 02:14. |
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Re: Research info on Ml.Lt.Lynikov
Ml.Lt. Lin'kov was shot down at 13.50 (M.T.), possibly by Hpt. Adolf Borchers of I/JG52 who claimed at 12.51.
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Re: Research info on Ml.Lt.Lynikov
Nikita
Many thanks and very useful. Any chance to locate 3 YAK-1 lost on 19.9.1944 over Yuguslavia north of Oradea , Rumania ? Any idea on the opponent ? Many thanks . |
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Re: Research info on Ml.Lt.Lynikov
In the South, 17 VA, 236 IAD, 168 GvIAP lost 4 Yak-1bs:
гв.м-р Власов Николай Алексеевич гв.л-т Семенов Виктор Николаевич гв.мл.л-т Шапкин Василий Руфеевич мл.л-т Грачев Александр Федорович Sorry, no locations. (Loss and AC data only by December, 1944.) Gabor |
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Re: Research info on Ml.Lt.Lynikov
Gabor
Yeah, I was aware I needed to know which Luftwaffe units shot them down or if they landed due to an navigational error in Yugoslavia . Gratchev was not shot down but shot and killed by the commander of Russian patrol along with his friend Sorokin in Bucharest after a drinking party while things got out of hands and patrol tried to intervine. |
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Re: Research info on Ml.Lt.Lynikov
Hah, I did not know that, thanks for the details! I also know about some 5 VA cases where alcohol was involved in plane losses, death, and/or injury of the crew and/or the death of local airfield workers by the crash of the plane(s). On the other hand, eg. German Hptm. Helmut Lipfert scored his 190. and 191. (IL-2) victories under the influence of alcohol. Alcohol took away the sense of fear, or was present when pilots had to take off unexpectedly from an airfield party, or celebration and had no time to wait before the action.
Gabor |
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Re: Research info on Ml.Lt.Lynikov
6./JG 52 scored two (Rumanian) Bf 109s and two "Yak-11"s. Maybe these? The Yaks were scored by Ltn. Peter Düttmann in sector 37486 at 2500 m in the afternoon.
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Re: Research info on Ml.Lt.Lynikov
Great info Gabor though 168 GvIAP were equipped with YAK-1's some YAK-7's and possibly a few YAK-3. Do you have the location where the two Yak-11's were shot down ? ( the other 3 were missing NNW of Oradea ) . 168 GvIAP were ending their one month rest in Romania when transfered near Oradea. Yes as into intoxication there were various incidends during my research period 1944 when A-20 pilots , IL-2 pilots and fighter pilots were either shot to death by patrols in the Soviet occupied Romania and other deaths scenarios under intoxication. Some of those were highly decorated Stalingrad , Kursk and Kharkov Battles vet's. In conclussion I opt saying that Vlasow and his 2 wingmen ended up in Yugoslavia instead Oradea due bad WX or a navigational error. All 3 were captured on their class A uniforms and all 3 were executed by SD Frankfurt after an escape attempt later on November '44.
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Re: Research info on Ml.Lt.Lynikov
As far as I know, Torda-S. 168 GvIAP had no Yak-3 fighters at that time. 236 IAD in 1944 had only 3 Saratov-built Yak-3s, S/N: 1013, 1113, 1213. In 1945 they were given to the new Yugoslav AF. 1213 was Сергей Сергеевич Щиров's famous yellow '12' in 267 IAP. (where 12 was yellow AC marking and AC number in the 13th batch, while 13 was the Yak-3 batch number in Zavod 292. Yak-3s, La-5FNs and La-7s rolled off the production line already factory-numbered. Their original marking was their AC number within their batch. This helped the ground crews on frontlines not to waste any time by painting numbers on their planes, maybe just overpainting existing factory numbers in squadron color. This system also helps modellers and aviation archaeologists to reconstruct crashed planes by their recovered AC serial number! This 'sweet' and practical marking system unfortunately did not apply to all AC types.)
I think in 1944 all these 3 Yak-3s belonged to 236 IAD, 267 IAP, not 168 GvIAP. So far all 236 IAD losses in 1944-45, for which I have the AC data were Yak-1b fighters (Yak-1b S/N: xxyyy, where xx was AC number within batch and yyy was the batch number. Unfortunately I think these were not factory-marked, so no idea about Yak-1b tactical numbers): 24157 17169 17170 16168 43181 10183 48172 27170 17170 32150 35169 11166 20174 48149 48177 29163 No Yak-7s, no Yak-9s, no Yak-3s among these, only Yak-1Bs! Gabor |
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Re: Research info on Ml.Lt.Lynikov
Gabor
Details about 168 GvIAP are scanty and very confussing, therefore I can't confirm nor decline. However I presume that Vlasow and his wingmen may have been lost on YAK-1 or YAK-7 that's what I hear from Russian collegues historians . There were two Polkas acting parallel under this number , 168 IAP "Moscow" and 168 GvIAP obviously at different locations. Agreed about the rest . |
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