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Losses info
Gentlemen,
Regular loss info (GQ or NVM) required on the following planes: Bf-109E-7 (or converted to E-7) w.n. 3383, 1401, 5118, 3333, 1554, 5233, 2941, 3014, 4899, 6426, 6479, 5103. Bf-109F-4: w.n. 10230, 8799, 13339, 13289, 7261, 7646, 10219, 13355. Ju-87R-2 w.n. 6160 Ju-87D-3 w.n. 2404 Hs-123 w.n. 944, 2250 Fi-156 w.n. 5013, 5675, 5468 Fw-189 w.n. 0044, 0233 Ju-52 w.n. 6420, 5058, 7521 Bf-110 w.n. 2225, 3938 Do-17 w.n. 4249 Gotha 145 w.n. 1524 TIA |
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Re: Losses info
Nikita,
why especially on these planes? What do you knew about them?
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Best regards Gerhard Stemmer |
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Re: Losses info
All were captured in Stalingrad region after the battle, but I perhaps overlooked them in my GQ copy.
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Re: Losses info
I don't have time right now to check all of these, but here are the 109Fs:
Bf 109F-4/Z, 7261, Hellfritzsch, Uffz. Fritz-Hermann, , I., 2., JG 3, schwarzes, 1 +, , , 27-Aug-42, Notlandung due to fuel shortage., , Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.11; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.2, p.112; Prien/Stemmer, Stab und I./JG 3, p.526., p.279 photos, , westlich Fl.Pl. Tusow (PlQu. 39 371), 60%, F, , , Bf 109F-4, 7646, Hofrath, Uffz. Kurt, , I., 1., JG 3, schwarzes, 5 +, , , 26-Jul-42, Reported missing after Bruchlandung due to engine damage. F returned., , Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.10; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.2, p.111; Prien/Stemmer, Stab und I./JG 3, p.525, , PlQu. 29 39, 100%, F, , , Bf 109F-4, 8799, n.n., , I., , JG 3, , , , , 28-Aug-42, Bauchlandung due to engine damage., , Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.11; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.2, p.112; Prien/Stemmer, Stab und I./JG 3, p.526, , Raum Stalingrad, 40%, F, , , Bf 109F-4, 10219, n.n., , II., , JG 3, , , , , 27-Jul-42, Bauchlandung due to fuel shortage., , Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.10; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.2, p.158; Prien/Stemmer, II./JG 3, p.404, , PlQu. 39 151, 100%, F, , , Bf 109F-4/trop, 10230, LEMKE, Ltn. Wilhelm, 131, III., 8., JG 3, schwarzes, 7 + |, , , 21-Oct-42, Stfhr. Overturned during landing., RK. PlQu. 49 18 per loss., Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.11; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.2, p.233; Prien, III./JG 3, p.453, , Pitomnik, 30%, F, , , Bf 109F-4, 13289, Eyrich, Uffz. Waldemar, 35, II., 6., JG 3, gelbe, 3 + -, , , 19-Aug-42, Reported lost due to Luftkampf. Notlandung. F returned., DKiG., Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.10; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.2, p.159; Prien/Stemmer, II./JG 3, p.404, , nordwestlich Wertjatschij (PlQu. 30 882), 100%, F, , , Bf 109F-4, 13339, MÜNSTER, Fw. Leopold, , II., 4., JG 3, , , , , 09-Aug-42, Bauchlandung due to Flak., RK. F name NOT listed in either Prien., Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.11; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.2, p.159; Prien/Stemmer, II./JG 3, p.404; Salonen via TOCH on 30-Nov-11, , südlich Kalatsch (PlQu. 39 36), 30%, F, , 05.30, Bf 109F-4/R1, 13355, Haberda, Ltn. Helmut, 58, II., 5., JG 52, , , , , 15-May-42, Crashed due to technical failure. FSA, injured., DKiG., Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.2, p.502; Fast, JG 52, IV, p.63, , bei Charkow, 100%, H, , , |
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Re: Losses info
Some more:
1942-08-24, 2./Schl.G 1, Bf 109 E-7, 5233, M schw, Fl.Pl. Tusow, Flakbeschuß 5 km nordwestlich Stalingrad. Bruch 100 %. Flugzeugführer Gefr Drefahl, Heinz, verletzt 1942-08-23, 3./Schl.G 1, Bf 109 E-7, 4899, Pl.Qu. 3919, Motorstörung. Bruch 50 %. 1942-08-05, 1./Schl.G 1, Bf 109 E-7, 6426, Pl.Qu, 3916, Flakbeschuß. Bruch 30 %. 1942-02-07, Stab I/JG 51, Bf 109 E-7, 5103, Fl.Pl. Staraja Russa, Bruchlandung infolge Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %. 1942-08-06, 5./St.G 2, Ju 87 D-3, 2404, Pl.Qu. 3954, Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %. 1942-09-03, 7./Schl.G 1, Hs 123, 2250, Fl.Pl. Tusow (Pl.Qu. 44 Ost 39/3/8/1), Bei Landung gegen Hindernis gerollt. Bruch ? %. Flugzeugführer Lt Kuffer, Luitpold 1942-08-15, Verbindungstaffel 64, Fi 156, 5013, Bruchlandung. Bruch 30 %. 1942-10-23, San.Fl.Ber. 3, Fi 156, 5675, Technische Mängel. Bruch 65 %. 1942-11-10, Fl.Ber./VIII.Fl.Korps, Fi 156, 5468, Fl.Pl. Tazinskaja, Rollschaden. Bruch 30 %. 1942-02-18, 7.(F)/LG 2, Bf 110 E-2, 3938, Bei Grodowka, Notlandung nach Feindbeschuß. Bruch 30 %. 1942-08-15, I/JG 53, Do 17 Z-3, 4249, Fl.Pl. Byrewka, Fehlstart infolge Motorstörung. Bruch 20 %. 1942-08-23, Kurierstaffel 5, Go 145, 1524, Pl.Qu. 39131, Bruchlandung infolge schlechter Bodenverhältnisse. Bruch 30 %. Matti |
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Re: Losses info
Thanks Gentlemen,
Obviously something is wrong with my Ctrl+F function ![]() I solved the problem with Bf-109F-4 w.n. 13355, as the observers pointed the shield with two crossed swords as the emblem, I suppose it was w.n. 13365, reported lost on August 4, 1942 with 25% of damage. However, many of the questions remained, especially interesting case with Bf-110E-2 w.n. 3938 that had code L2+KP and wore seventeen abschussbalken on the tailfin. Last edited by Nikita Egorov; 11th January 2014 at 20:46. Reason: wrong info |
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