Erla Luftschutz Staffel

[Marc-André Haldimann]

On another run, I chanced on this picture of Bf 109 G-5 (?) "Schwarze J", said to be the mount of pilot Otfried Baischs, member of the Erla Luftschutz Staffel.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625707737498

Are those informations correct ? It's the first time I come across this unit. I would be most interested to hear more about it, and, if possible, about this particular machine.

Thanks in advance
Marc

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

Are those informations correct ? It's the first time I come across this unit. I would be most interested to hear more about it, and, if possible, about this particular machine.

No ... according J.Prien the "J" belonged to 2./ JG 25 and the picture was taken probably on Gardelegen and not in or around Leipzig.

The so-called "Erla Luftschutz Staffel" was the "Jagdstaffel Erla" or "Einsatzstaffel Erla" (IIRC - at the moment my docs are not available), an simple unit to protect the Erla factories in an around Leipzig (like units for Focke Wulf, Messerschmitt or Fieseler).

Regards
Rasmussen

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hallo Jörg,

Thanks for your information. You mean 2./JG 52? And how come they used letters instead of numerals?

Thanks in advance
Marc

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

Thanks for your information. You mean 2./JG 52? And how come they used letters instead of numerals?

No ... I mean JG 25. Have a look in JFV 10/III, p.63 - 73, from J.Prien. there you find an short overview of this unit (history, commander, losses, ...).

regards
Rasmussen

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks a lot, Rasmüssen!

Never heard of that unit too... Off to order the JFV's serie...

Thanks again
Marc

[Johannes]

Hi Guys

I have Otfried Baisch a Feldwebel with 12./JG3, he was with this unit from no later than 13th April 1944 when he claimed a B-17, until 18th July 1944 when he claimed another B-17 and was himself killed!

Don't know if he was with another unit previous to this.

But Industrie Staffel Erla had at least ten claims confirmed between 14th October 1943(Fw Wolf) and 28th July 1944(Ace Lt Gerhard Gleuwitz from JG52). I assume the Staffelkapitän was Hauptmann Ernst Laube who claimed his 9th-11th victories with them on 6th March 1944(3xMustangs). Coincidently Bernd Barbas bumped into him a few days ago, he's ninety-five now and his eyes and legs are just starting to fail him.

With JG25 I can find only two confirmed claims. One for an Unteroffizier Zimacker for a B-17 on 14th October 1943, and one Lightning for Oberstleutnant Herbert Ihlefeld(his 111th)on 13th November 1943. The unit must have been short-lived, but bigger than Industrie Staffel Erla as Zimacker's was with the 2nd Staffel, and Ihlefeld's with the Stabst Staffel.

Don't have any claims for Baisch with these units, but have several unidentified claims for Industrie Staffel Erla, one being for a name I cannot identify, but it's a Feldwebel(as Baisch was) and the name is something like "Lensch" or "Densch" but could very well be Baisch, date was 20th February 1944 for a B-17, I will re-check the micro films on this one, it's easier to work-out a name if you know what your looking for, and without any losses for either of these units it's given me something to check again.

Kind Regards

Johannes

[ouidjat]

Hello,

Thanks for the picture Marc. That's the first time I understand what David did try to explain me about G-5 particularities!!!

http://www.ww2.dk/ says JG 25 became Jagdstaffel Erla on 12/43, so ??...

Regards, Franck.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hallo Johannes,

Thanks very much for your detailed informations regarding Otfried Baisch and, on the other hand the Industrie Staffel Erla; they are very helpful, as for JG 25.

My issue now is to identify clearly the plane and pilot depicted on the photograph found ant asiabiz.com. Unfortunately, their sources are never quoted and I'm thus unable to cross check the reference (s). the fact this machine carries a letter instead of a number as tactical marking surprises me for a fighter unit.

MY questions are now narrowed to those two:

- Which fighter unit did carry tactical letters?
- Is it possible to confirm the pilot's identity?

thanks again
Marc

[Jim P.]

Other than JG or JGr. 25, I have at least one recorded loss from IV./JG 3 (E + ~) with a letter as a tactical code in my 109 file. For 190s, there is of course the Stab of JG 26 (S, He, G, P, B & VH at least are documented) and at least one 4./JG 54 machine (D +).

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks Jim,

for your input; what was the reason behind this odd way of marking fighters?

Cheers
Marc