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Old 12th March 2006, 19:38
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Soviet AF loss listings

I'm curious if the Soviet Air Force kept detailed accounts/listings of victories and in particular loss listings.

The listings for USAAF, RAF and LW are very accessible though sometimes incomplete, but I have not seen comparable for the Soviets, do such lists exist???

In particular I'm looking for information on two Soviet AF Hurricanes from 767 .IAP PVO (not certain if this was the unit) shot down on 22 June 1943 by Lt. Walter Giesen of 7./ Jagdgeschwader 5.

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Re: Soviet AF loss listings

Yes, I can confirm that the VVS did keep detailed loss lists.
What I've seen are as detailed as the German listings are, or perhaps even better. The problem is, of course, accessibility to these lists.
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Re: Soviet AF loss listings

Thanks Dénes,

Sounds like it will be awhile before these lists are published.

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Re: Soviet AF loss listings

Best Russian expert on Far North air ops Yuriy Rybin wrote the following in his artcle about that episode:


Yuriy Rybin, "Expertenstaffel za Polyarnym krugom", the 4h part, an article in "Aviamaster" magazine, issue 4/1999, pages 33-38:


In the same day when Mors didn't return from the combat mission, Lt. Weissenberger left Expertenstaffel and was transferred to III./JG 5 , where he became a commander of 7./JG 5. Several days after, on June 22 a new StKa confirmed his high combat skills and shot down three Hurricanes one after another [Actually only two Hurricanes of 767 IAP PVO were lost. St.Sgt. N.Ye.Zubkov bailed out and Starshina N.V.Babonin made a forced landing in the forest and was wounded. Besides another two Hurricanes were damaged, but pilots managed to make a forced landings on own airfield,]. Totally 7./JG 5 pilots claimed 13 shot down enemy fighters. In that combat PVO pilots again opposed to Polar hunters, which escorted Ju 87 bombers. They scrambled to intercept them, but were tied in air combat by Messerschmitts and failed to repulse the raid.
6 Hurricanes of 767 IAP led by St.Lt. Znamenskiy took of for interception and were exposed to the sudden attack from above. As result already in the beginning of the skirmish several Soviet planes took a damage.In the following air combat the losses could be even higher, but soon another PVO fighters came to help from another airfields - 4 Yak-7b of 768 IAP, 2 Hurricanes and 3 Kittyhawks of 769 IAP.
St.Sgt. Zubkov (Hurricane) of 767 IAP managed to shoot down one of Bf 109. German pilot Lt. Walter Geisen bailed out, but his chute failed to open on low altitude and he fell to the ground and his "white 10" also crashed near the Soviet airfield. Among the documents of the dead German pilot a list of call-codes of the German airfields and squadrons was found.


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Re: Soviet AF loss listings

Thanks Andrey,

That is perfect, just what I was looking for!

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